Ernie, if you ain't cheatin', ya ain't tryin'.

Sounds like a country western song. Needs a train and a pick up truck, though.

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I recently received an apparently unused .454 double cavity round ball mold, made by RCBS cast boolit predecessor and want to try some doulble shot loads for the .45 LC in the New Frontier and Anaconda, maybe the '94 Trapper too. It looks like fun.May is just around the corner and NCBS '05 approaches apace, so I have to ask: would such loads be thought slightly "it just isn't done, old boy" in the stake shoot? You know, win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat?Just thot I'd ask.

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Ernie,  Not speculating on the "legality" of multi-ball loads, but I have a question.  Anybody ever hear of a two-ball load that would constently put both boolits in the kill area of the stake at 25 yds?  Never tried it, so don't know.  curmudgeon

Reply to : eblerinnv

Don't know about the legality but I had very good results with a two ball load in the .45 Colt out of teh Blackhawk convertible.

I bumped a couple of .451 balls flat on both sides in a .452" sizer, seated a card wad in the case and proceeded to load two flattened RBs.  Probably the best accuracy I had out of round ball multiple loads. dip in liquid alox cut with alcahol and let dry before loading.

The .454 round ball could be treated in a like manner and you'd have  a bit more weight which would act to your advantage.

Definitely worth a try.

I'm in agreement with waksupi..."if you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying"./beagle

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Ernie, if you ain't cheatin', ya ain't tryin'.Sounds like a country western song. Needs a train and a pick up truck, though.

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David Allan Coe finally hit the Top Ten with "You Never Even Called Me By My Name" in 1975. The song, written in conjunction with Steve Goodman, is known as "the perfect country and western song". It includes a narrative in which Coe explains that the perfect country and western song has to mention "Mama, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin' drunk", whereupon he sings the last verse

Well, I was drunk the day my Mom got out of prison,

And I went to pick her up in the rain,

But before I could get to the station in my pickup truck,

She got runned over by a damned old train.

http://www.answers.com/topic/david-allan-coe

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*********Ernie,  Not speculating on the "legality" of multi-ball loads, but I have a question.  Anybody ever hear of a two-ball load that would constently put both boolits in the kill area of the stake at 25 yds?  Never tried it, so don't know.  curmudgeon******

Yes, I load multi RB in all the straight cases.  The shorter pistal rounds get two and the longer rifle rounds get three. These are for fairley close range. I try to keep paterns to about 6" at 50 yards. I have found the powder type and amount to be criticle to tight paterns. The method I use is to charge primed cases and start a tight wad in the case. DO NOT push it down on the powder. You want the first ball to push the wad and for the wad to stay with the ball. This is a precaution to prevent the wad any free travel to impact the ball on ignition which can cause a  ringed chamber. Seat the first ball just short of its full debth with your belling / expanding die. Then press a lube ribbon over the mouth to cut a lube wad.  I use a press mounted ribben extruder to make ribben for this. Place the next ball on the lube wad and seat normaly with your seating die. If loading three balls put another lube wad between the next two balls. On the last ball seat to just past center and crimp seperatley. These make great deer loads for close shots in thick cover. The kind where you can see the outline of the deer at 20 yards but cant find a hole to shoot through. The Springfield armory saw the utility of this load for the trapdoor and issued such as forrage loads to the forts for supplying meat for the troops. We used to have an old Remington double hammer gun in 45/70. I would leave from time to time for a walk about and be gone for a time. I would load both barrels with the three ball load and stand it in the corner. I told BS Mom if a bear tries to come in when I am gone point, pull both hammers and pull both triggers. Those 6 45 cal holes will let the air out perty quick. We have since sold the old Rem to a PH in Johanisburge South Africa. I still load the three ball load for the Marlin. I had a customer try some in a guide gun and the short barrel  carbine held a bit tighter paterns than my  B00# rifle. If anyone is interestad in a 45/70 load I can dig it uot later right now its time to make the boolits. Ga-day

BIC/BS

There's a small town named Inuvik in the Mackenzie River delta where it flows into the Arctic Ocean.  It has a CBC radio production center, one of three scattered across the far North, and the various CBC stations play programs from the different production studios all over the Northwest Territories.

My all-time favorite TITLE for a radio show (I can't stand the country music!) is from Inuvik, and it's called something like, "The Lovin', Leavin', Hurtin', Cryin', Drinkin', Truck-drivin' and Mom Show"....pretty well covers the territory, I'd say.

As to them multi-ball loads at NCBS, I believe the administration (ME) is gonna have to give this some deep thought (but I can be bought).

Reply to: All that are wondering about multi ball loads

Yes, it is true that you can shoot multi ball loads in the straight cases. I have shot 3 ball loads in the 45/70. But the straight cases are not the only cases that you can shoot the multi ball loads in. You can also shoot the multi ball loads in the bottle neck cases, that have long necks such as the 30/30. As a matter of fact I shoot two ball loads in my 30/30.

Primer: CCI #200

Powder: 10.0gn of IMR-sr4756

bullet:Two Lee 312. Round balls

Lube: Bull Shop Speed Green

Other: The lube goes between the balls

I have not used this load in awhile but it did work well when I did use it for the time I did. You only use just enough lube on the ball to cover up the first ball. The balls weigh 45.0gn each. the second ball gets seated half way in the case.

There is proof that the ball loads DO work. I have shot them in the 45/70 which is a straight case, and the 30/30 which is a bottle neck case.

DANIEL / BULL SHOP JUNIOR

P.S. Maybe I can post some pictures of one of the 30/30 two ball loads being loaded.

I knew I could count on youse guys, lots of good advice and observations here.  Whatever team has me as a handicap will have all the troubles it needs without watching me miss the target twice with one shot!

I am serious about trying the two ball loads, though, and may try setting up an ersatz Winnemucca stake in the near future to try out.  I would love to see pictures of Daniel's two ball .30-30 loading technique, can use all the educational assistance available.  For thirty years or so a single 00 buckshot in an 8mm case with some Red Dot has served for the odd cottontail for my table.  Two balls means two chances with each shot at the furry little lunch treats.  Also means two chances to miss, I suppose.  Wonder how the long range Savage would take to it?

Don't any of the Country singer's have dog's in their songs anymore?  What's the world coming to?

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I recently received an apparently unused .454 double cavity round ball mold, made by RCBS cast boolit predecessor and want to try some doulble shot loads for the .45 LC in the New Frontier and Anaconda, maybe the '94 Trapper too. It looks like fun.May is just around the corner and NCBS '05 approaches apace, so I have to ask: would such loads be thought slightly "it just isn't done, old boy" in the stake shoot? You know, win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat?Just thot I'd ask.

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Ernie,  Thanks for your kind words about Jaremy's shooting.  Besides the prestigious long range match, he tied me for first in the iron sight rifle group event with my own Springfield.  Last year, living in the same town as Jaremy, I was able to get him out to the range and into a good state of practice.  This year, he is out from under my thumb and 240 miles away.  He will probably be wasting time that could be better spent at the range on things like Nintendo and girls.  Still, I hope to hijack him away from the fleshpots of California for a few days in May.  curmudgeon