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(Date Posted:03/21/2005 19:32:48)

Having never used a lubrisizer and currently use only Lee liquid alox I a question about lube textures or consistancy.I have made 2 batches of FWFL. The first batch is firm but sticky. The second batch I added more beeswax and it is harder and not as sticky. I read that some lube are soft and some are hard. It seems to me that a soft lube would not stay in the lube grooves with a lot of handling. The commercial bullets I have bought have had what I would call hard lube. I know this question has a lot of answers but... which is the better lube, hard or soft? Is FWFL better as a hard lube or soft?ThanksBigscot

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(Date Posted:03/22/2005 02:17:56)

Bigscot, The problem with the hypothetical qualities of bullet lubes is the lack of rigorous scientific testing. E.g., do hard lubes produce less leading, higher velocity and more accuracy than soft lubes? Some of this has to do with bullet fit (cyl. throats & forcing cone), alloy strength (BHN), amount of lube the CB carries, bbl. quality, etc. As for your specific question, sometimes hard lubes are so hard that they don't protect the bbl. and recovered CB's have their lube grooves filled with it. That strikes me as ineffective. Besides, you need a heater to warm them enough to reliably flow through your lube-sizing machine. The beauty of Felix Lube is that you can adjust its viscosity via beeswax or petroleum jelly/petrolatum (Vaseline) to suit. I've tried it both ways and both work very well although the firmer version is easier to deal with in warmer weather. I try to keep it soft enough to flow through my Lyman #450 (in my unheated basement) at 50 deg. F. without using the heater. The stickier batch never needs heat; the firmer one needed a little help yesterday, but I've never seen a difference in leading or accuracy that I can attribute to viscosity. Didn't mean to be so verbose, ...Maven
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(Date Posted:03/22/2005 03:16:19)

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Bigscot... Maven is correct, in that it is hard to prove one way or another within the realms of staying within the hobby venue.  In general, if your groups start stringing in a vertical fashion, and they havn't before until now, then that lube is too soft for the present conditions.  This is not a failsafe statement, but means to stiffen the lube a little, with the hope that it does not work as well as a friction reducer, allowing the lands a little more authority (in effect). ... felix 

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(Date Posted:03/22/2005 04:45:20)

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It seems to me that a soft lube would not stay in the lube grooves with a lot of handling. The commercial bullets I have bought have had what I would call hard lube... which is the better lube, hard or soft?

What type of Lubrisizer did you go with?  For a Lyman or RCBS type I find soft is fine.  I put boolits into rows in a shoe box lid.  When it comes time to load them, they are Pre-oriented for east pick up.

For a push through sizer like the Star, the boolits fall into a box or bucket and became a sticky mess.  For the Star I switched to a commercial type hot lube.  No more sticky mess.
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(Date Posted:03/22/2005 05:40:17)

Felix, by the same reasoning, would a horizontal string indicate lube that is too hard?

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(Date Posted:03/22/2005 06:46:30)

I am currently using a Lee push through sizer with liquid alox with a 30 cal mould in 30-30 and 3, 44 moulds in 44 mag. I have not used any of the FWFL lube yet as the soft lube does seem to stick well by hand lubing. I used some of this lube while opening a .429 to .431 this weekend and it seem work fine for sixing but did not stay in the lube groove and on the bullet. I am still working on the best way to use the harder FWFL w/o a lubrisizer. How much lube has to be in the lube groove and on the bullet to work?
I plan on getting a lubrisizer some day and am leaning towards the RCBS. From what I have read here, it seems to be the best one for the money barring Star and Secco (sp). I just can't decide which one. Thanks all the input. Keep it coming.

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(Date Posted:03/22/2005 07:05:14)

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Probably not, Ric.  Verticals are mostly caused by not having enough baby powder on your "bags" when bench shooting.  That thar' ol' recoil control function.  However, if you know darn good and well that your skills are OK when the verticals occur, then you can expect a little too much castor oil.  The castor oil tends to dramatically increase its effectiveness with a softer lube.  The real name of the game is to have a lube that is just right in terms of the slickies for the occassion on hand. Much easier said than done. ... felix

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(Date Posted:03/22/2005 17:35:15)

Thanks for the analysis, Felix. I've been a bit hesitant on stiffening mine up any, as it works so well as is.

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