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I find then that teleological morality- consequences- makes for deontological morality and virtue morality rather than being distinct from either.
Therefore, that makes for objective morality in that any normal person can see the consequences of actions.
Therefore like science, morality is intersubjective- any normal person can attest and debate consequences. And morality is contextual so that in some cases one rule has to override another as telling a lie to save someone from murder overrides the rule against lying in order to affirm the rule to save personhood.
Were there God, He Himself would be obligated to follow this morality!
Now it begs the question to allege that His nature is good in order to obviate the dilemma of Plato's Euthyphro that either morality is independent of Him or that were He to make murder good - yes, Yahweh's commands for genocide!
Ah, Willliam of Ockham and Willliam Lane Craig affirm the second part of the dilemma. The former maintains that no, He wouldn't,however, do that whilst the latter defends the genocides! Craig maintains that He is our master and can do what He will with us, and those commandments were to get rid of evil being spread to the Israelites from them .Oh, the youngest of the murdered would go to Heaven.
No, that genocide and the Deluge would be quite evil!
And no more than our parents had the right to harm us, has He that right!
I'll deal with that matter in the arguments thread.
" God is in a worse position than the scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whisles He has neither. As that married bachelor, He cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!" Ignostic Morgan
" life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaninging." Inquiring Lynn
"Religion is mythinformation." Englishman
However, whilst this is objective morality in the sense of everyone seeing the consequences, it is also a wide reflective morality in the sense that each person has her own moral sense that she has to refine,yet this very subjectivism has two objective elements: it applies to all- universal and it requires equity and equality of treatment.
The Platinum Rule requires that I ,as a rational being to be consistent and not special plead, that I treat others nice as they ought to treat me.
Yes, as John Hospers notes, in "Human Conduct,." some persons lack that moral sense, and. I add, or just won't refine it to extend beyond the "tribe."
Hospers favors Ayn Rand's egoism, but that fails. This one is universalistic.
We agree to this covenant-covenant morality for humanity- the presumption of morality- as the fulcrum whence we debate morality as scientists debate science. This overcomes moral relativism. We who urge human rights work with those nations who don't respect those rights, but through honest debate and -pressure come to respect it. Therefore, this is universal, applying to all societies so that no begged questions ensue.
Religious morality stems from the simple subjectivism of men of yore- a wrong-heades one! Allah and Yahweh are moral monsters! Some people ahve a decent simple subjectivism.
For more on wide refelctive subjectivism [my term], read John Beversluis's "C.S. Lewis and the Search for Rational Religion," whence I found that paradoxically both objective and subjective morality can intertwine.
As with deontological ethics, it a teleological one has rules and makes for virtues.
What is your moraiity?
Anon, I'll treat how others find this consequentialist ethic wrong-headed.
(Message edited by Lucretius On 01/30/2012 10:46 AM)
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So much for the paranormal and the Resurrection." Fr. Griggs
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