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i never heard that russia voluntarily gave up all its agents in the foreign territories after 1991. there wasn't any official investigations of crimes of the communist party and secret service as in romania. old archives still forbidden for study. "hawks" always was the strongest ruling party of russia. from 1999 former kgb officer rules russia, and he was gathering old resources from that time until now. premier-minister putin said that the fall of ussr was the geopolitical catastrophe. his nostalgia about time of cold war is clear. high oil prices gave huge amount of money into his hands. nobody knows where is the most part of it. why oil prices are raising is another question, i heard the main reason of such market movement are wars in the former regions of soviet influence.
as i heard recently, one of the long term strategies of secret war is
massive infiltration of opposite country. the most strong enemies are
the aim for the highest coefficient of infiltration. ussr supported foreign recruiting policy from 1930's, especially using universities as easy and cheap way of getting high ranked agents in the future. today there must be good harvest of such conspired guys (or girls). who knows what they are used for.
i'm new to this forum and complete amateur in history. if i'm speaking nonsense, just say it.
as i heard recently, one of the long term strategies of secret war is
massive infiltration of opposite country. the most strong enemies are
the aim for the highest coefficient of infiltration. ussr supported foreign recruiting policy from 1930's, especially using universities as easy and cheap way of getting high ranked agents in the future. today there must be good harvest of such conspired guys (or girls). who knows what they are used for.
i'm new to this forum and complete amateur in history. if i'm speaking nonsense, just say it.
Date Posted: 07/31/2009 19:33
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of course i'm writing bullshit. sorry for disturb.
Date Posted:07/31/2009 20:02
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Date Posted:07/31/2009 22:30
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It is good to hear your views. Keep posting.
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Date Posted:08/01/2009 15:07
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thanks alot.
only after 1991 i found out how many things i was deprived off. one of them internet, the priceless gift. i can not understand when somebody begins to express nostalgia about leaders of the russian past. somebody says this is heirs of privileged families speak, another version tells about psychic emitters spread all over the country.my opinion it is inability to overcome early memories of soviet propaganda.
too much of minor forbidding changes in law, too much opened hate to America in discussions with procremlin anonimous authors. may be the second half of Andropov's plan begins to work. i trust to argumentation of Valeria Novodvorskaya, an old russian dissident. She says that KGB can be stopped only by death or at least prison.
only after 1991 i found out how many things i was deprived off. one of them internet, the priceless gift. i can not understand when somebody begins to express nostalgia about leaders of the russian past. somebody says this is heirs of privileged families speak, another version tells about psychic emitters spread all over the country.my opinion it is inability to overcome early memories of soviet propaganda.
too much of minor forbidding changes in law, too much opened hate to America in discussions with procremlin anonimous authors. may be the second half of Andropov's plan begins to work. i trust to argumentation of Valeria Novodvorskaya, an old russian dissident. She says that KGB can be stopped only by death or at least prison.
Date Posted:08/01/2009 21:00
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it is good trick to simulate your own death in the sight of the enemy.
but according to several public statements of prime-minister Putin,
such as "end of USSR was geopolitical catastrophe" and "order to gain
highest political power in Russia is complete" we can conclude that
there may be hidden hierarchy in Cremlin, where former president and
current prime-minister is still only a colonel. though he is the most
influential known person in Russia, his basic type is executor, not
leader.
it is not important wether mr Putin is true leader or not; his team, especially unknown, secret part of it has people, money, skills and hunger for past geopolitical power. somebody can say that their possibilities only shadow of soviet strength and he will be right, but the most deathbringing blows does not require much strentgth, it requires high presicion and anger. besides, todays russian criteria of geopolitical power is not the strong economy or growing population, the main sign of prestige is opposition to USA. more tension means more prestige. and old soviet cadres value prestige more than human lives.
it is not important wether mr Putin is true leader or not; his team, especially unknown, secret part of it has people, money, skills and hunger for past geopolitical power. somebody can say that their possibilities only shadow of soviet strength and he will be right, but the most deathbringing blows does not require much strentgth, it requires high presicion and anger. besides, todays russian criteria of geopolitical power is not the strong economy or growing population, the main sign of prestige is opposition to USA. more tension means more prestige. and old soviet cadres value prestige more than human lives.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 00:17
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if i have boring moments, i wish to know it.
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many of russians believe that Soviet empire was the only way of geopolitical balance and this balance must be reached at any cost, even with the cost of war. situation is profitable for anyone who uses revanchist slogans. huge remains of soviet weaponry tempt each russian leader to claim course of gainig imperial power.
another source of Kremlin confidence is the agents, conspired all over the world. any political figure, dependant from illegal activities, is aim for recruitment. i could bet that closed top secret KGB/FSB archives in Lubyanka contain much unpleasant information about famous names. that is one of the reasons why current Moscow regime has support in the UN and even in USA. secret expenditures of oil money also good helper for outer Russian ambitions.
the fire of Cold War appeares almost extinguished, but under the ashes there are hot live coals, ready to burn.
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many of russians believe that Soviet empire was the only way of geopolitical balance and this balance must be reached at any cost, even with the cost of war. situation is profitable for anyone who uses revanchist slogans. huge remains of soviet weaponry tempt each russian leader to claim course of gainig imperial power.
another source of Kremlin confidence is the agents, conspired all over the world. any political figure, dependant from illegal activities, is aim for recruitment. i could bet that closed top secret KGB/FSB archives in Lubyanka contain much unpleasant information about famous names. that is one of the reasons why current Moscow regime has support in the UN and even in USA. secret expenditures of oil money also good helper for outer Russian ambitions.
the fire of Cold War appeares almost extinguished, but under the ashes there are hot live coals, ready to burn.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 07:18
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i've read SACWARRIOR's signature "The long bitter years of the Cold War are over. America and her allies
have won; totally, decisively, and overwhelmingly....So thank you SAC.
Job well done. Enjoy your retirement."
--Gen. Colin Powel, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, 1992
very trustworthy statement. but the Gruzian (Georgian) conflict in august 2008 makes me doubt. in my opinion another round of competition is ready to start.
--Gen. Colin Powel, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, 1992
very trustworthy statement. but the Gruzian (Georgian) conflict in august 2008 makes me doubt. in my opinion another round of competition is ready to start.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 07:44
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I hope there will be no new round of the Cold War. It would not be good for either country. Russia paid such a great cost during World War Two or what you call the Great Patriotic War in defeating the fascists. The Cold War and communists suppressed freedom and advancement of the Russian people. The money that both our countries spent cannot be afforded again by either of our countries.
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Date Posted:08/02/2009 15:23
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judging by yesterday shots between South Ossetia and Georgia and judging by consentration of Russian army forces at that region, the quest for rebirthing USSR continues. even John Baiden's visit in Tblisi could not stop it.
Communists not only suppressed Russians and other nations, they turned population into maniaks, i'm saying it straightly. current crime statistics and my personal experience prove it. that is another dark theme, a historical origin and spread of Cremlin sadism.
Communists not only suppressed Russians and other nations, they turned population into maniaks, i'm saying it straightly. current crime statistics and my personal experience prove it. that is another dark theme, a historical origin and spread of Cremlin sadism.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 19:12
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Ronald Reagan's statement "Evil Empire" was exact. may be he knew much more than told.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 19:20
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communists continue ruling Russia.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 20:16
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i've read this article in translation.
"The Russian Economy and Russian Power" By George Friedman Stratfor.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090727_u_s_policy_continuity_and_russian_response
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Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev was a communist, as we seem to forget, and a follower of Andropov. He was not a liberalizer because he saw liberalization as a virtue; rather, he saw it as a means to an end. And that end was saving the Communist Party, and with it the Soviet state. Gorbachev also understood that the twin challenge of concessions to the West geopolitically and a top-down revolution in Russia economically — simultaneously—risked massive destabilization. This is what Reagan was counting on, and what Gorbachev was trying to prevent. Gorbachev lost Andropov’s gamble. The Soviet Union collapsed, and with it the Communist Party. What followed was a decade of economic horror, at least as most Russians viewed it.
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the author did not take into account that finances of Communist party stayed in old hands and political control proceeded to another former communist family. outward appearance means nothing for Communist party, it was created and developed first 15-20 years in conditions of persecutions and conspiracy.
further, George Friedman tells undisputable truth:
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Russia has been an economic wreck for most of its history, both under the czars and under the Soviets. The geography of Russia has a range of weaknesses, as we have explored. Russia’s geography, daunting infrastructural challenges and demographic structure all conspire against it. But the strategic power of Russia was never synchronized to its economic well-being. Certainly, following World War II the Russian economy was shattered and never quite came back together. Yet Russian global power was still enormous. A look at the crushing poverty — but undeniable power — of Russia during broad swaths of time from 1600 until Andropov arrived on the scene certainly gives credence to Putin’s view.
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it is not important, whether old Communist will rule Russia or their KGB/FSB successors, the main purpose of Russian state did not change: that is pursuit for power and military expansion.
"The Russian Economy and Russian Power" By George Friedman Stratfor.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090727_u_s_policy_continuity_and_russian_response
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Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev was a communist, as we seem to forget, and a follower of Andropov. He was not a liberalizer because he saw liberalization as a virtue; rather, he saw it as a means to an end. And that end was saving the Communist Party, and with it the Soviet state. Gorbachev also understood that the twin challenge of concessions to the West geopolitically and a top-down revolution in Russia economically — simultaneously—risked massive destabilization. This is what Reagan was counting on, and what Gorbachev was trying to prevent. Gorbachev lost Andropov’s gamble. The Soviet Union collapsed, and with it the Communist Party. What followed was a decade of economic horror, at least as most Russians viewed it.
...
the author did not take into account that finances of Communist party stayed in old hands and political control proceeded to another former communist family. outward appearance means nothing for Communist party, it was created and developed first 15-20 years in conditions of persecutions and conspiracy.
further, George Friedman tells undisputable truth:
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Russia has been an economic wreck for most of its history, both under the czars and under the Soviets. The geography of Russia has a range of weaknesses, as we have explored. Russia’s geography, daunting infrastructural challenges and demographic structure all conspire against it. But the strategic power of Russia was never synchronized to its economic well-being. Certainly, following World War II the Russian economy was shattered and never quite came back together. Yet Russian global power was still enormous. A look at the crushing poverty — but undeniable power — of Russia during broad swaths of time from 1600 until Andropov arrived on the scene certainly gives credence to Putin’s view.
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it is not important, whether old Communist will rule Russia or their KGB/FSB successors, the main purpose of Russian state did not change: that is pursuit for power and military expansion.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 20:50
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Such a regime is the one that can create military power in the face of broad poverty, something we will call the “Chekist state.” This state uses its security apparatus, now known as the FSB, to control the public through repression, freeing the state to allocate resources to the military as needed. In other words, this is Putin coming full circle to his KGB roots, but without the teachings of an Andropov or Gorbachev to confuse the issue. This is not an ideological stance; it applies to the Romanovs and to the Bolsheviks. It is an operational principle embedded in Russian geopolitics and history.
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George Fridman's deduction is proved by current movement of 300 tanks to Georgian-South Ossetian border through Saratov.
Such a regime is the one that can create military power in the face of broad poverty, something we will call the “Chekist state.” This state uses its security apparatus, now known as the FSB, to control the public through repression, freeing the state to allocate resources to the military as needed. In other words, this is Putin coming full circle to his KGB roots, but without the teachings of an Andropov or Gorbachev to confuse the issue. This is not an ideological stance; it applies to the Romanovs and to the Bolsheviks. It is an operational principle embedded in Russian geopolitics and history.
...
George Fridman's deduction is proved by current movement of 300 tanks to Georgian-South Ossetian border through Saratov.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 20:57
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Jim Weller, with acknowledgement of your contribution into crushing
Soviet Empire, i know that evil never sleeps and always regenerating.
Date Posted:08/02/2009 22:20
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well sorry if my english is a bit awkward.
Date Posted:08/03/2009 00:06
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Jim Weller i suppose i'm speaking with true veteran. that's a valuable experience.
Date Posted:08/03/2009 04:21
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donnknow your post #12 is the feeling of the Russian people that to survive as a nation they need to expand or are you saying its for conquest ?
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Date Posted:08/03/2009 08:34
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PNV; good actions to live by, "Trust not what men say, rather by what they do, then and then only will you know your foe."
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Date Posted:08/03/2009 08:52
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Jim811 Sunzu {the Art of War} I wonder if thats required reading for military officers training ?
Nice to hear from ya Jim my best wish to you an yours, heard its hot where you are we could use some of that Sun here the plant life is all screwed up {trees changing ect.} better send it via e-mail ASAP we be going down for the third time LOL : )
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Nice to hear from ya Jim my best wish to you an yours, heard its hot where you are we could use some of that Sun here the plant life is all screwed up {trees changing ect.} better send it via e-mail ASAP we be going down for the third time LOL : )
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Date Posted:08/03/2009 09:14
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Glen, not to worry, for the weather will change and all in Cowhampshire will once again be pleased.
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Date Posted:08/03/2009 09:31
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donnknow your post #12 is the feeling of the Russian people that to survive as a nation they need to expand or are you saying its for conquest ?
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donnknow your post #12 is the feeling of the Russian people that to survive as a nation they need to expand or are you saying its for conquest ?
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its for conquest. an old tradition from times of the rising Moscow principate in 1400-s. from that years territory under their control increased in 50 times, mostly to the east.
Date Posted:08/03/2009 09:50
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country size is the source of pride. before 1917 monarchic house
positioned themselves as warrior dynasty; Stalin continued
glorification of Russian/Soviet military power. chain of army parades at Red Square interrupted for a short term of Yeltsin's rule.
as for me, it was hard to dissociate self from common pride; two years in Russian Army as private helped me very much.
as for me, it was hard to dissociate self from common pride; two years in Russian Army as private helped me very much.
Date Posted:08/03/2009 12:07
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donnknow,
It is quite interesting to see your viepoint here on our forum.
What do you think is the ordinary Russian citizen's thoughts and feelings about what is happening in the
Blakans? What do they think about what Vice President Biden said while he was in Georgia?
Do you think Russia will send in more troops and equipment into South Ossetia?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Jerry
It is quite interesting to see your viepoint here on our forum.
What do you think is the ordinary Russian citizen's thoughts and feelings about what is happening in the
Blakans? What do they think about what Vice President Biden said while he was in Georgia?
Do you think Russia will send in more troops and equipment into South Ossetia?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Jerry
"And so the greatest of American triumphs... became a peculiarly joyless victory. We had won the Cold War, but there would be no parades."
-- Robert M. Gates, 1996
-- Robert M. Gates, 1996
Date Posted:08/03/2009 15:37
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donnknow thank you for giving us how you feel about the situation, as a private serving durring the {Cold War} or did you serve some other era what were your feelings ?
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Date Posted:08/03/2009 18:29
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donnknow thank you for giving us how you feel about the situation, as a private serving durring the {Cold War} or did you serve some other era what were your feelings ?
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i served 2000-2002, fully ready to make war for motherland. it was useful for understanding that something is wrong, salary about 1 dollar per month, bad food, stealed munition, criminal clashes at night, other things. today i see how foolish i was. thanks to good people in headquarters who did not allowed me to go to Chechnya. let heavens send them more health and good luck.donnknow thank you for giving us how you feel about the situation, as a private serving durring the {Cold War} or did you serve some other era what were your feelings ?
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i'm disappointed, "motherland" owed me 2 years of youth. also, they made me a fool and could spend my life on their true purposes without respect.
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Date Posted:08/03/2009 19:14
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donnknow,
It is quite interesting to see your viepoint here on our forum.
What do you think is the ordinary Russian citizen's thoughts and feelings about what is happening in the
Blakans? What do they think about what Vice President Biden said while he was in Georgia?
Do you think Russia will send in more troops and equipment into South Ossetia?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Jerry
donnknow,
It is quite interesting to see your viepoint here on our forum.
What do you think is the ordinary Russian citizen's thoughts and feelings about what is happening in the
Blakans? What do they think about what Vice President Biden said while he was in Georgia?
Do you think Russia will send in more troops and equipment into South Ossetia?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Jerry
in my opinion majority of russian population believes to 1 TV channel, the Putin's and Lavrov's speaking trumpet. i look it rarely, but at http://www.1tv.ru i observed nothing about vice-president Biden's speech in Georgian parliament.
judging by online, officials try to avoid statements about verity of Biden's conclusions in the interview to The Wall Street Journal; instead they speak about "purposes" of such expressions. and there're tens (if not hundreds) of censored commentaries about his words that Russia will bend to USA.
in the question of Georgian-Ossetian tension i trust to Andrey Piontkovsky, american political analyst of russian origin; he says that there is inner struggle in Kremlin. i believe that "hawks" always had more power, and Putin's personal injury about Saakashvili is strong. next reason of future aggression is urge towards oil&gas monopoly, so yes, Russia will sent more troops.
Kremlin will send majority of unoccupied battle-worthy troops into South Ossetia, that's my opinion. by unconfirmed rumours, war will begin from friday to saturday of current week.
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Date Posted:08/03/2009 22:26
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Very interesting view as well as points.
Thank you donnknow for sharing your thoughts and ideas on these subjects. Your english is very understandable.
Thank you donnknow for sharing your thoughts and ideas on these subjects. Your english is very understandable.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Date Posted:08/04/2009 03:22
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This on MSN today {print on website) Russian Subs patrol coast of U.S. {There------ back------} Cold War part 2 or hot war part VI even if the first Cold War never went Global from no real interest of national world leaders today is a moment in time where strife world wide has more gas waiting for the spark ?
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Date Posted:08/05/2009 09:19
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i read about subs today too. Rusia deserves liquidation.
(Message edited by donnknow On 08/05/2009 11:40)
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Date Posted:08/05/2009 09:54
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new possible date of invasion: 12-15 august.
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Date Posted:08/05/2009 12:17
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