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The American Cold War Veterans annual meeting will be held May 1, 2012. Once again the location is in
Washington, DC.
We will be meeting in Room SVC 200 which is in the new Capitol Visitors Center, on the
Senate side of the building, from 1PM till 3PM. Information
on the Visitors Center http://www.visitthecapitol.gov/visit/ the website also has links for methods to reach
the Capitol, Prohibited items and general info.
We also plan to go to Arlington Cemetery following the general meeting to hold a memorial service at
4PM. On completion of the service we will place flowers on the graves of Cold War Heroes.
Hotel: We will be using the Best Western Pentagon located at 2480 South Glebe Road, Arlington, VA 22206
Phone: 403-682-5500 Fax: 403-682-2361 email: ejenkins@yourdchotels.com be sure to ask for Group Sales
and mention that you are with the American Cold War Veterans.
Room rates are $129.00 plus tax per night. We have the rooms from April 30 to May 2. If you wish to make
your stay longer please ask Erica Simuel in Group Sales if you can still have the same group rate.
Jerald Terwilliger
National Chairman
American Cold War Veterans
Washington, DC.
We will be meeting in Room SVC 200 which is in the new Capitol Visitors Center, on the
Senate side of the building, from 1PM till 3PM. Information
on the Visitors Center http://www.visitthecapitol.gov/visit/ the website also has links for methods to reach
the Capitol, Prohibited items and general info.
We also plan to go to Arlington Cemetery following the general meeting to hold a memorial service at
4PM. On completion of the service we will place flowers on the graves of Cold War Heroes.
Hotel: We will be using the Best Western Pentagon located at 2480 South Glebe Road, Arlington, VA 22206
Phone: 403-682-5500 Fax: 403-682-2361 email: ejenkins@yourdchotels.com be sure to ask for Group Sales
and mention that you are with the American Cold War Veterans.
Room rates are $129.00 plus tax per night. We have the rooms from April 30 to May 2. If you wish to make
your stay longer please ask Erica Simuel in Group Sales if you can still have the same group rate.
Jerald Terwilliger
National Chairman
American Cold War Veterans
"And so the greatest of American triumphs... became a peculiarly joyless victory. We had won the Cold War, but there would be no parades."
-- Robert M. Gates, 1996
-- Robert M. Gates, 1996
Date Posted: 04/01/2012 11:35
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What the ACWVA could use.
1. Anual conventions in place of meetings. Hold a first caucus somewhere with defined organizational mission. Follow up with conventions. Have elected members through state and local post.
2. Weekly, Bi-weekly, or monthly issues of American Cold War Veterans. A magazine for cold war veterans along with scope, mission, point of view, for educational purposes. Advertisements in the magazine would make a profit for the organization, get the word out better, and create alot more membership.
3. A preamble
I would suggest try putting out a magazine at least for the educational part of it, gain more membership, throw the word out on how the ACWV can benefit veterans. All successful VSO'S seem to have a monthly magazine don't they? Also, sell these magazines to news stands all over the country, airports, other places like Barnes and Noble. The ads in the magazine would pay for itself, maybe even make a profit for the organization.
1. Anual conventions in place of meetings. Hold a first caucus somewhere with defined organizational mission. Follow up with conventions. Have elected members through state and local post.
2. Weekly, Bi-weekly, or monthly issues of American Cold War Veterans. A magazine for cold war veterans along with scope, mission, point of view, for educational purposes. Advertisements in the magazine would make a profit for the organization, get the word out better, and create alot more membership.
3. A preamble
I would suggest try putting out a magazine at least for the educational part of it, gain more membership, throw the word out on how the ACWV can benefit veterans. All successful VSO'S seem to have a monthly magazine don't they? Also, sell these magazines to news stands all over the country, airports, other places like Barnes and Noble. The ads in the magazine would pay for itself, maybe even make a profit for the organization.
Date Posted:04/01/2012 14:03
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Just having ACWVA on the internet is not enough publicity. I know this takes alot of effort and know how, something I dont have the experience for, nor time really. Get a magazine started, get the word out. Get a number circulated to be sold at news stands around the country, and include the magazine for dues members, get advertisements in it too to pay the bills and profit. Internet is not enough. Needs national attention. I hear talk about going to FOX and O'Rielly, and Hannity, but nothing about publishing a magazine. Maybe guys like Papa Nathanial Victor can start something in Vermont with all the free time.
Date Posted:04/01/2012 14:21
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29Palms, not disagreeing with the idea of a publication. The investment a magazine takes is more than you might think. We have a publication now in The Cold War Times. However we could grow our input to the The Cold War Times greatly and it has the platform for readership.
FYI, there is a very large project we are working on at the moment that will do what you mention for the national stage, stay tuned for details and the rollout in near future.
Scott
(Message edited by SACWARRIOR On 04/01/2012 23:15)
FYI, there is a very large project we are working on at the moment that will do what you mention for the national stage, stay tuned for details and the rollout in near future.
Scott
(Message edited by SACWARRIOR On 04/01/2012 23:15)
Date Posted:04/01/2012 23:13
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I agree that the investment for a magazine may be out of your hands, ect...however, it has seemed to be the basis for a successful American Legion from what I am reading. They refer to the American Legion Weekly from back in 1919-20 with much success, and even get into the advertisements and as a means to get the word out. Just saying.....personally, nothing like having a physical magazine in your hand, with pictures and or drawings. Like even a comic book. Imagine walking around an airport and looking at a news stand and seeing ACWV magazine. I don't know if the Legion sells to news stands anymore, but they sure keep pumping out that magazine, same as VFW and Amvets. Don't forget too that back in the day after the Armastice was signed, there was alot of talent out there. Veterans with financial experience and expertise, before and during the war. Even after the war, and while running a war in Europe, so alot of the Army of Expedition in Europe could run something like a veterans organization with all that talent. Most with alot of beef to be reconed with inasfar as benefits, and compensation ect....Also, a charter was the first thing they did before the first National Convention. What is 29 palms?
Date Posted:04/02/2012 01:56
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With so many cold war veterans out there, obviously, there are some accountants, people that deal in fincances. Again, it all depends on how big you want to get, and what your scope and mission for ACWVA would be. Money can be earned if you got the right people in the group. American Legion learned from GAR post around the nation and other groups. Maybe a little digging and the fact that "History repeats itself" may be the best way to approach into a new organization. This ACWVA has been around for maybe a decade. American Legion kicked off in one year, and growing. They had a charter by Congress within a year, and put out a weekly magazine. Does ACWVA want to become another American Legion like organization in reputation and membership? That is the real question.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 02:08
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How to self publish a magazine. Imagine, each member here create one good story on anything about the cold war, either an article on concerns, or experiences, or issues regarding benefits, or maybe even about what it means to benefit from membership in the ACWVA, or whatever. Some pages with photographs or sketches. Each person submit their content to a centralized location to a man in charge . The man in charge gets this raw content and gets it published locally for national delivery with a cover that reads....AMERICAN COLD WAR VETERAN. Maybe some fancy picture of a tank, or missle site, or a Marine holding an M-16 rifle, whatever. The publisher has a few pages allocated for advertisement for earning extra cash for reserves in organization.
http://www.wikihow.com/Self-Publish-a-Magazine
http://www.wikihow.com/Self-Publish-a-Magazine
Date Posted:04/02/2012 02:42
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A good source too don't forget could be to actually question some of these VSO's that print magazines for their membership and subscribers to see how much it cost to actually print one magazine, and postage and handling for delivery, plus selling in newstands, and what they actually charge for certain advertisements and how they make it work.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 02:46
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As a final note for what I have to say for the day, is that it may be a good idea to gain national attention, by having more clout, more members, more education out there and grow as an organization than to keep on requesting medals. Medals will come with the expansion and interest in this organization via educational tools such as a magazine, and regular national yearly conventions with elected members at the local level.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 02:54
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Great enthusiasm, good ideas and unfortunately, not likely to happen. One thing the American Legion can count on is continuing conflicts that will feed their membership. The ACWV is a "sunset" organization. Like the VVA, Korean War Veterans and yes, even the groups now being formed by Veterans of OEF / OIF will all eventually sunset. When wars end, the eligibility of those who can join with be finite and in continual decline. If you were 18 in 1946 and served you would be 84 now. Even if you were the last of the Mohicans and served in 1991 for the finale, a lifer would be at least 61 and the young bucks would be 40.
No intent to curb enthusiasm. We sure need it but using the A.L. as an example of what they did right in broad strokes won't work here. If those efforts got off the ground prior to the end or even at the official end of the Soviet Union it might have made some sense. Lastly, those men and women who served during the Cold War, as a generalization, lack the enthusiasm or passion we share here.
No intent to curb enthusiasm. We sure need it but using the A.L. as an example of what they did right in broad strokes won't work here. If those efforts got off the ground prior to the end or even at the official end of the Soviet Union it might have made some sense. Lastly, those men and women who served during the Cold War, as a generalization, lack the enthusiasm or passion we share here.
Paul V. Dudkowski
Charter Member, ACWV
US Navy, 1973 to 1978
"Dedicated to the Cause"
Charter Member, ACWV
US Navy, 1973 to 1978
"Dedicated to the Cause"
Date Posted:04/02/2012 06:12
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As I feel this has gone off topic { Annual meeting } as well to address points made I am in hopes that the forum cop will not Target me again with a silly nasty gram full of B.S. !
As to the point of a magazine I feel the need to point out that many in the print media due to cost VS advertising have dropped by the wayside, have found that greater return can be found on the Web, and last yet I am sure far from least - - - We have Ads on this forum where someone else has gained from the revenue !
So it seems to me we should discuss the above, next we have had members in this forum bring valid points to the forum that, I feel would be great for use in an On-line magazine, my idea is that we create this separate from the Cold War Times, while using stories from and for both ?
Now for the kick in the ass portion, just whom shall be the editor ? finding those to contribute from the ranks shall not present a problem given folks like Dr. Tim's, J.P., Jerry, Paul & Jim to name a few, who have had some great narratives as well pointed to some great stories done in the past, right here in this forum where I feel much is lost from all the other noise.
We have a deep well to dip from, cost free narratives, people that served during the Cold War Era, that I know have some great stories like a certain member from Maine who lost his entire aircrew to a Soviet shoot down, we have folks like him as well need to find & encourage others to share theirs, not just with us or only for this forum.
We need to put aside the issues { political } and find as well use the common ground certain members seem to think they can dictate their political objectives, they need and have to Stand Down, the only issue we should have is moving ACWV's agenda forward & keeping the idea that we will not support any political agenda as well force our personal feelings on others to obey !
Last how the Hell did Vermont get stuck with me as well you may wish to rethink sending me there, as they may need to see you about that prior LOL ; }
BTW the question of my being a member has been has reared up again, as that E-mail once more attacked me for my not having paid dues & Demanded that past dues need to be paid for me to be a member, seems this person feels past contributions from me are not enough.
Just as well, I shall not be able to attend this years meeting { nor be able to pay dues once more } having the above { and a worse charge made }hanging over my head only has made the case that I am not welcome or needed and where this certain person may be the next National Chairman ?, I'd much rather walk away than to keep being victimised, as well then thrown out should they get elected, as for dirty laundry in the forum ?, poison E-mails makes one wonder just who the other supporters are that stand with Judas, kept hidden changes nothing and only makes them stronger, That is the greatest strength of Freedom Of Speech.
I wish all other members the very best and thanks, Jerry, Frank, Jim, Paul, JP etc. for their friendship as well being brothers in service, I just cannot deal with this persons constant personal vendetta, and given the current political climate inside ACWV as well out, to Hell with the extreme that like Congress & Senate are taking over.
As for kicking 29palms out, at least he was no Judas with his own agenda to take over like Vince did, { as well has 29palms really gone folks or just gone to ground ! }, granted some moderation is needed here and most members comply of free will, using force should be only for the worst Troll and most folks that visit know when the grain of salt is required about opinion as well have their own judgement over what to use or discard,and as well what a Troll is.
Best of luck to you all for the cause, if any wish to contact me use the E-mail provide here, all others I know how to delete LOL : )
Glen aka PNV
As to the point of a magazine I feel the need to point out that many in the print media due to cost VS advertising have dropped by the wayside, have found that greater return can be found on the Web, and last yet I am sure far from least - - - We have Ads on this forum where someone else has gained from the revenue !
So it seems to me we should discuss the above, next we have had members in this forum bring valid points to the forum that, I feel would be great for use in an On-line magazine, my idea is that we create this separate from the Cold War Times, while using stories from and for both ?
Now for the kick in the ass portion, just whom shall be the editor ? finding those to contribute from the ranks shall not present a problem given folks like Dr. Tim's, J.P., Jerry, Paul & Jim to name a few, who have had some great narratives as well pointed to some great stories done in the past, right here in this forum where I feel much is lost from all the other noise.
We have a deep well to dip from, cost free narratives, people that served during the Cold War Era, that I know have some great stories like a certain member from Maine who lost his entire aircrew to a Soviet shoot down, we have folks like him as well need to find & encourage others to share theirs, not just with us or only for this forum.
We need to put aside the issues { political } and find as well use the common ground certain members seem to think they can dictate their political objectives, they need and have to Stand Down, the only issue we should have is moving ACWV's agenda forward & keeping the idea that we will not support any political agenda as well force our personal feelings on others to obey !
Last how the Hell did Vermont get stuck with me as well you may wish to rethink sending me there, as they may need to see you about that prior LOL ; }
BTW the question of my being a member has been has reared up again, as that E-mail once more attacked me for my not having paid dues & Demanded that past dues need to be paid for me to be a member, seems this person feels past contributions from me are not enough.
Just as well, I shall not be able to attend this years meeting { nor be able to pay dues once more } having the above { and a worse charge made }hanging over my head only has made the case that I am not welcome or needed and where this certain person may be the next National Chairman ?, I'd much rather walk away than to keep being victimised, as well then thrown out should they get elected, as for dirty laundry in the forum ?, poison E-mails makes one wonder just who the other supporters are that stand with Judas, kept hidden changes nothing and only makes them stronger, That is the greatest strength of Freedom Of Speech.
I wish all other members the very best and thanks, Jerry, Frank, Jim, Paul, JP etc. for their friendship as well being brothers in service, I just cannot deal with this persons constant personal vendetta, and given the current political climate inside ACWV as well out, to Hell with the extreme that like Congress & Senate are taking over.
As for kicking 29palms out, at least he was no Judas with his own agenda to take over like Vince did, { as well has 29palms really gone folks or just gone to ground ! }, granted some moderation is needed here and most members comply of free will, using force should be only for the worst Troll and most folks that visit know when the grain of salt is required about opinion as well have their own judgement over what to use or discard,and as well what a Troll is.
Best of luck to you all for the cause, if any wish to contact me use the E-mail provide here, all others I know how to delete LOL : )
Glen aka PNV
http://acwv.newsvine.com[/URL]
Date Posted:04/02/2012 09:28
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Sunset organization? The American Legion started out as a veterans organization for WWI veterans, and later allowed other war/conflicts to join in to keep it from becoming a "Sunset" organization. Another words, they actually make an effort to keep continuity of their post. Just like the others like VFW and AMVETS, so I don't buy that Paul.
This organization, if it wanted to could have that sort of continuity. For example, it could use other dates and era's. Like COLD WAR I, maybe there could be a COLD WAR II, or COLD WAR OF KOREA or COLD WAR IN REMISSION OR COLD WAR TO MY GONADS! You get the meaning. It would only be a sunset organization if that is the way it gets designed.
Papa Nathaniel Victor. I don't know what's happening up there in Brattleboro amongst the maple trees with emails fluttering poison swooping down the snow sloped valleys, but I am sure that your membership is cherished in very much needed in the ACWVA. Don't give up the ship. As for the 29 Palms, he aint no Judas, but that SOB, he sure may be the devil himself!
This organization, if it wanted to could have that sort of continuity. For example, it could use other dates and era's. Like COLD WAR I, maybe there could be a COLD WAR II, or COLD WAR OF KOREA or COLD WAR IN REMISSION OR COLD WAR TO MY GONADS! You get the meaning. It would only be a sunset organization if that is the way it gets designed.
Papa Nathaniel Victor. I don't know what's happening up there in Brattleboro amongst the maple trees with emails fluttering poison swooping down the snow sloped valleys, but I am sure that your membership is cherished in very much needed in the ACWVA. Don't give up the ship. As for the 29 Palms, he aint no Judas, but that SOB, he sure may be the devil himself!
Date Posted:04/02/2012 13:42
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Which reminds me of a song......."pleased to meet you, have you guessed my name. And what's puzzling you is the nature of my game"......ooohhh ooohhh....ooo ooohhh...ooo ooohhh.....
Date Posted:04/02/2012 16:05
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To answer the first reply on this thread. I wanted to say it was a convention, but we need more than just 10 people
to attend. I am all for saying it is a convention, maybe draw a few more members to show up.
So if you all will come and show up, bring your ideas to be discussed with the membership see what develops.
Glen, your post covered many points. I know nothing of these emails that you claim are attacking you. I do know
that the system set up by Scott for the membership sends out routine emails to everyone as their due dates come
up, even I get reminders; which I probably need as the fog covers my little brain sometimes.
This forum is not the place for any of us to bash anyone. 29 Palms has had some very good ideas and generate
a lot of talk, which is a good thing. Even if we do not all agree just seeing new ideas and comments is what this
is about. If there is a problem with another poster email or call them talk it out.
The idea of a magazine is a good one, but the start up costs alone would be tremendous. If someone wants to
volunteer to run an online mag please step forward and let us now what you would have in mind.
I know that all of us were very disappointed when Congress let us down once again. That does not mean we have
given up, there are still things happening.
Two very strong supporters in the Senate are retiring this year. So it is important that we all try to contact our
elected officials both in the Senate and House and attempt to enlist them in our cause. Senators websites are easier
to use and we can all contact every Senator to send them an email, most of the Representatives will allow only people
from their district. So to contact them, fax, phone, and if you can find their personal email use that.
How many plan to attend our convention this year?
Jerry
to attend. I am all for saying it is a convention, maybe draw a few more members to show up.
So if you all will come and show up, bring your ideas to be discussed with the membership see what develops.
Glen, your post covered many points. I know nothing of these emails that you claim are attacking you. I do know
that the system set up by Scott for the membership sends out routine emails to everyone as their due dates come
up, even I get reminders; which I probably need as the fog covers my little brain sometimes.
This forum is not the place for any of us to bash anyone. 29 Palms has had some very good ideas and generate
a lot of talk, which is a good thing. Even if we do not all agree just seeing new ideas and comments is what this
is about. If there is a problem with another poster email or call them talk it out.
The idea of a magazine is a good one, but the start up costs alone would be tremendous. If someone wants to
volunteer to run an online mag please step forward and let us now what you would have in mind.
I know that all of us were very disappointed when Congress let us down once again. That does not mean we have
given up, there are still things happening.
Two very strong supporters in the Senate are retiring this year. So it is important that we all try to contact our
elected officials both in the Senate and House and attempt to enlist them in our cause. Senators websites are easier
to use and we can all contact every Senator to send them an email, most of the Representatives will allow only people
from their district. So to contact them, fax, phone, and if you can find their personal email use that.
How many plan to attend our convention this year?
Jerry
"And so the greatest of American triumphs... became a peculiarly joyless victory. We had won the Cold War, but there would be no parades."
-- Robert M. Gates, 1996
-- Robert M. Gates, 1996
Date Posted:04/02/2012 16:31
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Kind of a catch 22. It's hard to get the medals if the cold war isn't recognized as a war time period. So if it does finally get recognized as a war time period, that means the American Legion would absorb the organization, thus, ACWVA not needed right?
But if the ACWVA stays as is, and its a "Sunset organization" with not a real future to look forward to, there is no room for expansion and thus making it that much harder to gain a cold war medal.
I for one won't be attending, the truth of the matter is, I just don't have the time for this to attend and get involved. I am saying that out of 21 million possible cold war era folks, you should be holding one heck of a huge convention with lots of motivated and talented people, especially now going on ten years since inception.
A good case scenario would be this. Gain recognition, get cold war era recognized as a possible unique eligible era for American Legion approval via congress, grandfather cold war veterans into the American Legion organization and have that uniqueness about the membership within the Legion.
You can still keep the ACWVA within. A VSO within a VSO. Maybe an internet publication as some mention here is a good idea over a magazine's startup cost or whatever. The VSO's are kind of dying off, as they struggle themselves to keep afloat since nobody seems to want to join them.
I am not a financial kind of guy. I am more of a blue collar technician of flying objects, however, it could be explored that some loan taken out for a magazine, and paid off via the advertisements??? Maybe try the magazine avenue for a year at a month a whack?
I always did want to try out a convention, as in the American Legion or Plav just to see what it was all about. Democracy at work.
But if the ACWVA stays as is, and its a "Sunset organization" with not a real future to look forward to, there is no room for expansion and thus making it that much harder to gain a cold war medal.
I for one won't be attending, the truth of the matter is, I just don't have the time for this to attend and get involved. I am saying that out of 21 million possible cold war era folks, you should be holding one heck of a huge convention with lots of motivated and talented people, especially now going on ten years since inception.
A good case scenario would be this. Gain recognition, get cold war era recognized as a possible unique eligible era for American Legion approval via congress, grandfather cold war veterans into the American Legion organization and have that uniqueness about the membership within the Legion.
You can still keep the ACWVA within. A VSO within a VSO. Maybe an internet publication as some mention here is a good idea over a magazine's startup cost or whatever. The VSO's are kind of dying off, as they struggle themselves to keep afloat since nobody seems to want to join them.
I am not a financial kind of guy. I am more of a blue collar technician of flying objects, however, it could be explored that some loan taken out for a magazine, and paid off via the advertisements??? Maybe try the magazine avenue for a year at a month a whack?
I always did want to try out a convention, as in the American Legion or Plav just to see what it was all about. Democracy at work.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 17:05
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Ok, Glen. Glen, I am an Corporate Officer at ACWV, no one is undercutting Jerry. I am managing most of our operations and the online platforms, hold your fire. Glen, might I recommend you look at yourself on how you interact online. Your attacks on others on the Hill legislative threads only drew fire and got the legislation a wopping negative support due to to it. Whatever you said got us blackballed with our own Senator. And pay your dues up and backward before you demand your ground.
29palms(IP: 99.61.181.75) has indeed been taking every possible angle to unravel any sense, has not made sense, to what is being done and will continue until we are out of breath, as will you. It was time. And yes we have been hacked 4 times recently and are visited by enemies. So, I will continue to do my best in our defense.
So Jerry this is a reminder just about dues ?, seems like in prior times someone keeps key information from you, more so the section about how I alone Killed the medal bill !, as well the fact Scott only covered for Dr. Tims during his illness, I leave it up to the membership over my Guilt or not !
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29palms(IP: 99.61.181.75) has indeed been taking every possible angle to unravel any sense, has not made sense, to what is being done and will continue until we are out of breath, as will you. It was time. And yes we have been hacked 4 times recently and are visited by enemies. So, I will continue to do my best in our defense.
So Jerry this is a reminder just about dues ?, seems like in prior times someone keeps key information from you, more so the section about how I alone Killed the medal bill !, as well the fact Scott only covered for Dr. Tims during his illness, I leave it up to the membership over my Guilt or not !
PNV
http://acwv.newsvine.com[/URL]
Date Posted:04/02/2012 17:47
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AMVETS and American Legion already covers some of the CWV community, so VSO membership is a not a big draw. These organisations already have membership magazines, so a magazine wouldn't help. Maybe asking AL, AMVETS, DAV, VFW for ad space for ACWV invitations in their magazines. Ask these organisations how they know which addresses to send membership invites to. Nothing is better than a peronal invitation.
I still think to boost membership we need access to records like the other VSO's do to send out invitations for membership. The members we most need are those who served during 47, 48, 49, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 75-90. That is 20 some years of veterans who are potential members who if they thought someone valued their service and would get the recognition they deserve would join, either virtually or by hard copy. Now by deserved recognition, I mean being able to wear the uniform in a parade, and a service medal for the Cold War.
I would like to attend a meeting or convention, whatever you want to call it, but that would cut into my food budget right now. These are definitely hard times right now. I just happened to join in 2007 when I got my severance package and could afford it.
I am glad the ACWV is still hanging tough though, at least we got the certificate years ago. I know it doesn't equal a service medal but at least the Cold War was acknowledged as being real, and not just political speak. They can't go back now and say, oh it was just a figure of speech or theory.
I hope everyone is weathering the financial times ok.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 18:24
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mmm, you made some good points here. Great input, however allow me to add some corrections. "AMVETS and American Legion already covers some of the CWV community". So does PLAV, FRA, VFW, MCL and all the others just about ....47, 48, 49, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 75-90....I don't know what warrants those given years .....Those dates you mention sound like PEACETIME dates, or NON WAR dates because, you excluded the Korean War veterans, the Vietnam Veterans eras. But you INCLUDED 1982-84 and 30 days in 1989 for Lebanon/Grenada and Panama conflicts along with the years 75-90. Whom are represented by the American Legion. Just send out invitations to those that served from 1945-1991. (That is, those that meet the 24 months straight active duty.)
Date Posted:04/02/2012 20:29
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Well, for what its worth, I would like to see cold war veterans that have fallen between the cracks get granfathered and represented by the American Legion if all else fails. I think that would mean alot to some of the guys here. I have that representation option open for me, so I would personally be glad to see it extended to the cold war veterans, medal or no medal.
I don't like to get involved in squabbles here, but Scott the SacWarrior and Jerry have done an excellent job here in getting ACWVA in gear. Those two Green Mountain State men deserve our support. Wait a minute. There aint no lobster in that land locked state is there? Is it Maine? New Hampshire? Taxachusetts? Oh, what's the difference? One serves Ipswich Ale and the other serves Catamount.
I don't like to get involved in squabbles here, but Scott the SacWarrior and Jerry have done an excellent job here in getting ACWVA in gear. Those two Green Mountain State men deserve our support. Wait a minute. There aint no lobster in that land locked state is there? Is it Maine? New Hampshire? Taxachusetts? Oh, what's the difference? One serves Ipswich Ale and the other serves Catamount.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 20:47
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The years mentioned were purposeful, the so called "peacetime" years, although expeditionary medals were issued for some.
I did not name all possible VSO's, that is true.
The Korean, Vietnam, and Gulf War Vets may wear a uniform in parades and already have a service medal for their service. Some of these vets may enjoy an invitation, but those I mentioned would be thrilled by a personal invite.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 21:59
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PNV. Did you meet these guys before in person through a meeting? I was wondering because, it would be a shame to suddenly lose friendship over emails or postings here. I had an experience once where I was friends with this family, and even saw them out in Las Vegas when they moved out there, but when I got back, this guy was sending me political emails I disagreed with and before you know it, I haven't seen nor heard from them in over ten years. (He basically told me not to send more emails when I disagreed with GWB and forwarded him some going around email about what a lame President he was.) How about that? Partly due to my ego and his retired Master Chief's ego, we no longer are friends. Kind of a shame. I didn't really give it much thought over the years until I recently visited Las Vegas. His children are now teenagers. I thought about sending them a postcard, but after thinking about it, ten years is a long time and it was decided I would not send a post card and so that frienship remains forever lost. (It's too bad because my wife and his wife and chidren had nothing to do with our political disagreements.)
So there you go. Do not allow emails and disagreements tarnish your made friendships in here. As for me, you don't know me, nor have ever seen me, nor do you know my name so its not a big deal. I don't take it personally. I would advise you to not throw away your friends. Incidentally, you offered an email address but I have no way of getting it, however, if you wish to send me a thrashing or two, here it is. thestumps@vt.com Feel free to kick me in the gonads. It's a private email nobody else reads but me. Pleased to meet you. Have you guessed my name? Making puzzles is the nature of my game. This email is open for whomever else wishes to talk, engage, kick my left nut or whatever.
So there you go. Do not allow emails and disagreements tarnish your made friendships in here. As for me, you don't know me, nor have ever seen me, nor do you know my name so its not a big deal. I don't take it personally. I would advise you to not throw away your friends. Incidentally, you offered an email address but I have no way of getting it, however, if you wish to send me a thrashing or two, here it is. thestumps@vt.com Feel free to kick me in the gonads. It's a private email nobody else reads but me. Pleased to meet you. Have you guessed my name? Making puzzles is the nature of my game. This email is open for whomever else wishes to talk, engage, kick my left nut or whatever.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 22:06
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True Guest. Nothing like a personal invite. By any group for that matter. And like you say, especially those left out. I visualize the American Legion someday opening up membership to cold war veterans where those left out can walk into a post canteen and have a beer knowing that they have meaningful representation by the most influencial organization and biggest VSO in the USA. That beer would taste great!
Date Posted:04/02/2012 22:19
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Lets take a break from this conversation for one string or two. I felt something was missing from my refrigerator tonight, I got almost mid-night, don't have to go to work till tomorrow night. So what was missing from my fridge was something that could easily be replenished by making a trip to the gas station. So aside a mega-millions lotto ticket I purchased, I decided to get six bottles of BEER!
Ok, so it aint Catamount, it aint Ipswich, it aint even Heineken which I think taste and smells like skunk! But a simple rather simple ole six pack of PABST BLUE RIBBON! Have you ever tried?
I just put two in my FREEZER and I'm about to pause for a little station identification while I make a trip to a hopefully real coldassed beer.....now, wait one second.........pause....break.......shoot, I only left it in the freezer for like two minutes. I'll just have this cold one and wait for the others to get real cold.
It's a twist off, and I just had a sip. Man.....that's a good tasting brew bro! Wish you were here.
29Palms. Cheers to ya!
Ok, so it aint Catamount, it aint Ipswich, it aint even Heineken which I think taste and smells like skunk! But a simple rather simple ole six pack of PABST BLUE RIBBON! Have you ever tried?
I just put two in my FREEZER and I'm about to pause for a little station identification while I make a trip to a hopefully real coldassed beer.....now, wait one second.........pause....break.......shoot, I only left it in the freezer for like two minutes. I'll just have this cold one and wait for the others to get real cold.
It's a twist off, and I just had a sip. Man.....that's a good tasting brew bro! Wish you were here.
29Palms. Cheers to ya!
Date Posted:04/02/2012 22:49
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I thought Colt 45 smelled like skunk myself. I haven't drank anything but Miller Genuine Draft for years, so can't really remember.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 23:03
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Yes, all the folks who have worked on behalf of ACWV have done a great job. They definitely have to have thick skin to do what they do. I am amazed at all the meetings they have managed to get with the politicians. Now that Bob Gates is out of government, too bad he couldn't join forces with us. His quote is on the mark.
Date Posted:04/02/2012 23:24
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Correction......its thestumps@vtmail.com Sorry bout that. I just caught it. Forgot to put the "mail" portion of it.
Date Posted:04/03/2012 12:13
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This is not a issue of friendship it is about being a Team Player, something Scott lacked from the very start when more than once he refused to hand over duties that the National Chairmen requested.
One such duty was to pass on Templates that I had designed for members certificates that I requested Twice via others only from after Scott having fired me, has been a constant refusal by him to follow their directions, the fact I'd spent hours over days to come up with I'd hoped a unique design, that lent I hope pride from members who received them, he may have had charge to disseminate it to members, the design was my area as well the reason it was requested that I should up grade them.
His last action to attack me for Killing the medal, his refusal to stand down on any dealings that benefit ACWV simply because he Fired me ?, are the actions he has taken as well done against the Chairmen who have asked as well told him to stand down, in doing so he has defied them as well the requests made by them to allow me to do the jobs they asked for me to handle.
Last Scott is a Teabagger a group that people like Senator Snowe have had to walk away from, you cannot work with them after three chairmen have been unable to get Scott to work & play with others like the baggers have those who support them that helps keep them in place, he found a key members coat tail to hang on too.
Think hard over the fact Jerry's request for members to get involved as being a Plea for help, think about the fact this has only my voice speaking out that members have to make the choice, will you let the politics of anyone take over the ACWV where, like Congress, Senate or White house is ruled by the party in power that has control to get something done ?
Oh by the way Scott refused to contact or work with Senator Shaheen prior, so was I truly the reason the Medal Died ?, Really you folks agree ?, is this the reason not one member has questioned what I have posted ?, even if I am wrong this is about the future of ACWV as well the direction it takes for the future ?, do we want any party to have control ?, and Hell don't support me, where are you for the National Chairman & Frank who founded this group ?
You do remember why we formed this group, as well this cannot happen when people show up to vote, it keeps the few from controlling the many, it keeps your voice in ACWV.
BTW Jerry, Board members even Frank have no control over me or my opinions, have not talked to them about this and at this point they seem to not picked up their jaws from the ground yet they tried to work with Scott over my objections , oh as well where Sen.Snowe was not able to move this medal forward do you think some First Term Bagger would ?, only Scott's blowing that smoke LMAO & his little support.
Well Scott care to let go them coat tails & go one on one ? ? ? ?
PNV
One such duty was to pass on Templates that I had designed for members certificates that I requested Twice via others only from after Scott having fired me, has been a constant refusal by him to follow their directions, the fact I'd spent hours over days to come up with I'd hoped a unique design, that lent I hope pride from members who received them, he may have had charge to disseminate it to members, the design was my area as well the reason it was requested that I should up grade them.
His last action to attack me for Killing the medal, his refusal to stand down on any dealings that benefit ACWV simply because he Fired me ?, are the actions he has taken as well done against the Chairmen who have asked as well told him to stand down, in doing so he has defied them as well the requests made by them to allow me to do the jobs they asked for me to handle.
Last Scott is a Teabagger a group that people like Senator Snowe have had to walk away from, you cannot work with them after three chairmen have been unable to get Scott to work & play with others like the baggers have those who support them that helps keep them in place, he found a key members coat tail to hang on too.
Think hard over the fact Jerry's request for members to get involved as being a Plea for help, think about the fact this has only my voice speaking out that members have to make the choice, will you let the politics of anyone take over the ACWV where, like Congress, Senate or White house is ruled by the party in power that has control to get something done ?
Oh by the way Scott refused to contact or work with Senator Shaheen prior, so was I truly the reason the Medal Died ?, Really you folks agree ?, is this the reason not one member has questioned what I have posted ?, even if I am wrong this is about the future of ACWV as well the direction it takes for the future ?, do we want any party to have control ?, and Hell don't support me, where are you for the National Chairman & Frank who founded this group ?
You do remember why we formed this group, as well this cannot happen when people show up to vote, it keeps the few from controlling the many, it keeps your voice in ACWV.
BTW Jerry, Board members even Frank have no control over me or my opinions, have not talked to them about this and at this point they seem to not picked up their jaws from the ground yet they tried to work with Scott over my objections , oh as well where Sen.Snowe was not able to move this medal forward do you think some First Term Bagger would ?, only Scott's blowing that smoke LMAO & his little support.
Well Scott care to let go them coat tails & go one on one ? ? ? ?
PNV
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Date Posted:04/04/2012 11:26
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Well, I did post my email so that a good ole fashioned character assasination wouldn't be broadcast all over the forum for public viewing. However, it is quite known throughout the ACWVA comunity that the "Lobster Wars" have commenced a little earlier than usual. "Lobstah Waws" in your neck of the woods.
Down here, it's CRAWFISH season, and though it took me years to finally appreciate these "MUD BUGS", I must say, the ones I ate yesterday at BABINS, was the best I've had anywhere. Good size and nice and spicey.
I don't know what to say my friend. Sounds like a personal matter you are undergoing. I can't chose sides for I have zero knoweledge of the situation. I just see a very angry man which has become your lable.
Down here, it's CRAWFISH season, and though it took me years to finally appreciate these "MUD BUGS", I must say, the ones I ate yesterday at BABINS, was the best I've had anywhere. Good size and nice and spicey.
I don't know what to say my friend. Sounds like a personal matter you are undergoing. I can't chose sides for I have zero knoweledge of the situation. I just see a very angry man which has become your lable.
Date Posted:04/04/2012 15:01
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#28
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Too bad that there has to be problems among the ranks. I feel that a magazine would be a good idea. But we do not have enough members like the Legion has. Besides who would really have the know-how, time, and energy to become involved with such a task. As far as the upcoming meeting goes, what exactly will be discussed ? I would like to make a suggestion. Going around to congressional office buildings and talking with congressmen and senators I feel would be a waste of time. That has been tried already and gets us nowhere. Perhaps one could look into the legalities of picketing in front of the White House for an hour or two with signs and placards showing our support for a CWSM. The picketing will be done properly and respectfully. The President said as a senator that the CWVM would be an appropriate honor and he hopes that this impasse can be resolved soon. This has not happened. Perhaps some people, maybe the news media might show an interest in this cause. After all, the DoD does not like us and has stopped any progress of this medal anyway that they can. Many members of the Congress do not care about our cause. With that in mind, what would we have to lose?
Date Posted:04/04/2012 15:07
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OK, everyone stand down. Let's not have any more personal attacks on the forum. We do know that other
people read our posts, and we don't need them to read the bickering.
Phone calls or personal emails to try to settle any difference of opinion.
Jerry
people read our posts, and we don't need them to read the bickering.
Phone calls or personal emails to try to settle any difference of opinion.
Jerry
"And so the greatest of American triumphs... became a peculiarly joyless victory. We had won the Cold War, but there would be no parades."
-- Robert M. Gates, 1996
-- Robert M. Gates, 1996
Date Posted:04/04/2012 16:12
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Yes, you and we would like a magazine no doubt about it. You have to consider though that we might be under the bus when it comes to competing with existing magazine and programs of other successful groups. Consider not competing but augmenting and perfecting the categories they don't do so well and edifying what they do better. We would have better success in those measures.
The political protest and picketing we have to be careful with. One main reason is that we are not allowed to do by law. ACWV is a Public Charity by formation under the law, we are NOT as VSO, C(19) under the law as the other chartered veterans groups that allow the political out-speak. We would be in jeopardy with out tax status. Despite what others may say about a political bent it is the very subject that we walk a tightrope on and work very hard to lean toward any side. That does not preclude us from forecasting and positioning our leverage as the political wind may change and our issue catch fire.
(Message edited by SACWARRIOR On 04/04/2012 16:27)
The political protest and picketing we have to be careful with. One main reason is that we are not allowed to do by law. ACWV is a Public Charity by formation under the law, we are NOT as VSO, C(19) under the law as the other chartered veterans groups that allow the political out-speak. We would be in jeopardy with out tax status. Despite what others may say about a political bent it is the very subject that we walk a tightrope on and work very hard to lean toward any side. That does not preclude us from forecasting and positioning our leverage as the political wind may change and our issue catch fire.
(Message edited by SACWARRIOR On 04/04/2012 16:27)
Date Posted:04/04/2012 16:24
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