Welcome back Jim : ) I do hope you have been in good health, use the mail here to contact me an I'll make sure to get right back my friend, glad you are here it's been too long without you !

Glen

Paul I've been a member of POPVOX for some time now & made note of the same, as I have said prior our problem is getting NOTICED in the public realm and Distance from CWVA, I think all of both has been LOST to CWVA, we need to be The Vice Of Cold War Veterans !

Now Having said the easy part, the hard question Paul how best to do that ?

PastNikeVeT

Rode & Paul my remarks were Not about this groups { ACWV } death, they are however pointing out that this forum has become a dead zone.

Look at this moment, once more it is just you, Paul & I, so my question is How Do We Change That ?

Glen

Seems Rode, Paul & I are the soul survivors still speaking so on that note, three people do not a forum make !

It is however on Life Support- - - - - - - - AH F--- IT, fit this forum with a Toe Tag & Body bag it's time to bury it ; {

Well said rodevito, point well made.

PNV

Hey Folks met an 05 in the mall { poor SOB } one of them Tanker Drivers from Pease, a great person & funny as hell, he lamented how DOD would Not Spend the money for the medal & Is the Blocking force to its issue. I have the impression that we have Quiet support from some active duty members.

I shall not name him here given the fact he is still active duty, yet C you were the High Point of my day given the fact the physical pain I was dealing with,  Best Wishes to you my friend it was a wonderful chat and you were all class given the fact I'd interrupted your lunch : )

Glen

For the record I feel Jerry was not off base looking for support anywhere it can be found, It is not an easy task getting it, it is a constant uphill struggle for what has become the norm !

Just the other day DAV magazine { July-August } on page 15 had requested veterans of WWII, Korea,Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Afghan & Iraq contact them for a PBS documentary, in all fairness they were overwhelmed by responses { my E-mail kicked back } as my calls by phone have been lost in all the other veterans who called about being interviewed, this is just normal for our struggle it is an uphill battle, next the politics that find there way in, I have done the same blasted the members who support the toxic attacks aimed at Our Members who may support Liberals or Democrats & President Obama, I thought some folks might get the hint It Is Just Wrong promotes infighting, separates members and only weakens ACWV.

We need to remember attacking those we are seeking support from Hurts Us, I did not know if it would be safe to bring up PBS to general membership so I've only spoken to those I'd thought it safe to bring it up to, do we as a group want to have an environment like this ?

My feeling is that we as a group need to remember Neutral requires restraint please rethink the flaming remark that even if others let slide, may lose us support, I am sure those on both sides Not supporting each other has Lost Us Some Support when we need it.

The choice is up to each member Not To Support what they feel they cannot, just don't tear down in public, let them guess and lets keep this in house, I feel what happened to Jerry did not need to be said in this forum as well he has earned some respect & I feel trust he is doing whats best for ACWV.

Last independents Vote Both Ways, are the majority and decide what agenda wins the day, this is not just a left - right thing folks.

Thank you Jerry for all you did the past two years my best wishes

PNV

I have stood down, kept my thoughts over this to myself and - - - - waited for this impasse to be resolved, Scott and for the record { It was requested by the acting Chairmen that I take over handling membership by Sean then Jerry } you did NOT handle the needs for growing and moving membership forward, next Scott you refused to pass this on so it could be corrected, you refused to send me the templates for the 2012 membership certificate design, then fired me three times !

I'd hate to list all you have not done when it comes to other members or even the Board, this attack on Jerry for trying to find support as well other ways on his own, is just wrong unlike you who has tried to make this political and used ACWV { Teabagger Ayotte } while never attempting to support haranguing Shaheen } leaves you no room to chastise Jerry IMHO, also when I called out Sen. Shaheen over the OPED about the Cold War you Scott sat on your hands { one of many times } and left me hanging then you want my support ?

This has been your agenda Scott, as well going and fanning the flames to burn our Own Chairmen, you have fueled discontent, refused to work with others, firing people,when leadership has made choices Scott you failed to support them in their goals and if they had a misstep Scott ? ? ? ?

Just as in this Scott a board vote where you did not get your way and You were Cheated ? Really Scott !!!!

The sad fact is Scott you alone are NOT ACWV, why is it others get it while you fall so short? you Scott need to get over your own Ego as you keep tripping over it, also I will Not Support buying you the shovel you have been burying ACWV with for the past 2 + years, that's why I asked for this vote prior, your permit to keep digging has been revoked by a vote of 2 to 1, the board members have a better agenda, the ACWV not the goals of just one person.

Last Scott as for paying my dues, I never got a DIME for the projects I'd done & if given credit for them I'd be good for at least the next decade, not asking for that I only asked to slide for some bad times Scott it would have come back to this group one way or another yet you had to be an SOB didn't you !

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As for Jerry & Move On, it was his personal choice done Not As ACWV member, I also think some folks need to remember He Got the Support Of Two GOP Senators, some members have gone for the political choice as ACWV members in the past { You Got Slack }, I feel we should have a personal choice outside the group  as long as members follow the rule of ACWV being neutral and this situation has IMO no There There !

PNV

Hey folks , Welcome MS Beaven to ACWV, my Dad was a Tin Can Sailor { U.S.S.Preston } Korean War, nice to have you aboard & fair winds and following seas < got that from Jerry LOL : )

PNV

Hey JD how ya doing ? , I shall give Frank & Sean a call see if it shall be ready soon, quite a small amount added to their plate as this meeting had many facets, was a shame folks like you could not attend, an for more than just what was presented am sure I would have enjoyed meeting you as well others.

PNV

donnknow seems as if an epidemic of DUH has struck civil society over how to handle failed leadership, as well how to find leadership that works, or is it the same problem, money is power + power corrupts = failed governments ?

Seems the common theme is Greed doesn't work, yet a few folks think it does just fine for them, so the question is do the worlds rich feel this shall keep working just fine for them ?, with no consequences that may impact them ?

History has shown that most wars stem from the fight for resources, on the other hand it is a remarkable way to reduce over population, provide jobs, renew governments as well change future goals, this is great as long as your nation is not the biggest loser and Nukes were not used ; }  

My Bad used the N word takes all the fun out of it for the well to do, after all it is hard not to be touched by it, guess they let that slip the mind when the road being traveled could lead with that wrong turn, so is the questions now, heads in the sand ?, or is it time to stand ? just where will nations as well their people look ?

As always donnknow you provide something to think about in your visits, was the Cold War just a Reboot for the new software to run for Cold War II : )

PNV  

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm NO ; }

PNV

Wow why do I smell BAIT ?, someone having a My Bad moment & I must not bite that hook, must not - - - ; }

PNV