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Title:'veterans preference' for cold war vets
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Join the discussion on why no veterans preference for Cold War Veterans. Make the case.

Ask them to support S.402!

http://federalsoup.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=34279&PID=368023&title=veterans-prefererence-for-cold-war-vets
Date Posted: 04/07/2011 09:38
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I served during the peace time part of the Cold War and I have the veterans preference.  I guess I should have used it 20 years ago when the Feds had many many unfilled office clerk jobs.
Date Posted:12/17/2011 21:16
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In the 1980's Congress and the president sought to cut veterans benefits (costs), that is why the preference went for some, you had to pay into the educational benefits, and you had to serve 2 years to get benefits. This is also why healthcare for life became good luck if you are a one term vet, and tricare for life for retirees. At one time in 1980's if you got an honorable discharge you couldn't get unemployment benefits either. This is why careers were cut short in the 90's. Money is the bottom line. I heard a remark by a politician in the 1980's that military service was nothing more than another type of civil service. If that is true why do all those civil service employees need all those medals and chest brass? It's just a job!
Date Posted:12/17/2011 21:47
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I served from 79-84, one year in Korea (KDSM) retired now from law enforcement, VFW and Legion member however NJ. denied me civil service preference due to time periods and locations of service, politicians most of whom never served are clueless, all they know about militarty service is what yhey see on TV.

Date Posted:12/18/2011 11:39
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 Move to PA. I served 1981-1985 and was in NATO not Korea (strange for a Marine but it is what it is) and I still had Veterans Preference within the State of Pennsylvania. Every jurisdiction is different and the Federal rules are separate as well. It is a very complex subject.
Semper Fi, Dale
Date Posted:12/18/2011 13:56
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True, it all depends on where you live.  Not in Texas for me, but I got a great job anyway.  Don't need the veterans' preferance.  Could have used it years ago.  Not doing me a hill of beans now.  Truth of the matter is that your best friend is really your skills and yourself.  Veteran's preferance is really not that effective.  Maybe others have good experiences from it, however, for me its a moot point.
Date Posted:12/19/2011 02:09
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Looks like Pennsylvania has got it right.  They seem to treat their reservist with dignity.  Even in their veterans home system.  Wish other states would do the same.  It's only fair really.  You fulfill your military obligation, you get rewarded.  What's so hard about that?


Veteran's Eligibility
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WHO IS ELIGIBLE?

a.  Applicants in any of the following categories are entitled to veterans’ preference if they have completed their military service commitment and have received an honorable discharge from such service prior to taking a civil service examination.

(1)  Certain military commitments completed prior to July 27, 1953.

(2)  Applicants who have served in an active duty capacity in the armed forces of the United States since July 27, 1953.  Such service must include completion of basic training.

(3)  Applicants who served in the National Guard or Reserves.  Such service must include completion of basic training and completion of either the entire first term of service or at least one period of active duty for a purpose other than training since August 2, 1990.

b.  Also eligible are:

(1)  Widows or widowers of veterans.

(2)  Spouses of disabled veterans.

WHO IS NOT ELIGIBLE?

a.  Applicants who have not completed their initial military service commitment including National Guard and Reserve members currently in their first term of service, who have not been called to active duty for any purpose other than training.

b.  Widows or widowers of veterans who remarry.

c.  Divorced spouses of disabled veterans.

Date Posted:12/19/2011 02:16
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Regarding NJ. veterans preference rules it wasn't the denial of getting preference but that if you didn't have veterans preference you were listed NV for Non-Veteran, that was the issue. ommitting your military service is an insult to any veteran, I can relate to how some cold war veterans feel being denied even the inclusion in veterans organizations.

Date Posted:12/19/2011 08:18
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Yes, it is ironic that one can be a member of the AL or the VFW and still be cosidered a "peacetime veteran". Welcome to the world of the cold war veteran. If it is not in the statute, it didn't matter to some. I have always gotten the 5 point preference, and the old education benefits, because I was in service before October of 1976, even though I am officialy a "peacetime Veteran". It is a schizophrenic subject area.
Date Posted:12/19/2011 12:56
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I probably entered the service when it was the worse possible time to join if you talk benefits.  The VEAP program has gone down as the worse program ever for military.  They threw that carrot on me before getting out of the active reserve component with trying to convince me to join ANOTHER SIX YEARS.  Never mind I had served three all ready and only needed three more years, but rather, SIX MORE YEARS on top of what I had all ready served to qualify for a new GI bill that would probably cover two years of college.  
Pack sand.  No benefits whatsoever  Sometimes TIMING is everything too.   Then you get out and find out things like you joined up in the wrong state for benefits, and find out that some states offer things like Veterans Preferance, but other states don't consider you a veteran.  Sux!  




(Message edited by 29Palms On 12/20/2011 00:18)
Date Posted:12/20/2011 00:17
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Don't forget that a new education package was passed due to kick in the middle of next year. Older vets get an expanded GI Bill education benefits for one and a half years, up to age 60. This would be long enough to get a graphics or database degree or certificate or similar training. I plan to take advantage of it myself. 
Date Posted:12/20/2011 13:49
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Peacetime is a misnomer, and plays into the hands of those who see the US as an imperialist nation with peacetime troops used to uphold the American empire. This to me doesn't sound like the Cold War where occupation in Eastern Europe was done by the Soviet Union who would have moved further into Europe had they had the chance.

When Joseph Stalin went to Potsdam at the end of World War II in the Berlin Metro area, US ambassador Averell Harriman greeted him and said, "Marshall this must be a great moment for you, for all the trials and tragedies that you have been through...to be here in Berlin!" Stalin looked at him and said, "Czar Alexander got to Paris!" And the narrator said, "Did Stalin want to extend to the Atlantic?"

What resulted from this division of Europe was less than a peacetime period. The US military continued stationing troops in Europe unlike the post-war World War I experience. The US occupation of Europe was not one of empire, but I think that the Soviets were creating a sphere of influence that could be called an empire, and in fact has been.
Date Posted:12/21/2011 09:44
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Oh yeah, about the last post on the Cold War and Stalin and the so-called peacetime service . My name is Frank D, and am a guest but will rejoin in the future.

FRANK D
Date Posted:12/21/2011 09:46
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Better to join-up late than never!  I sent my app & check yesterday.  DD-214 has ssan & final address blacked-out.  Will this be a problem?

Bad Bob
Date Posted:12/21/2011 11:51
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How whacked out is the veterans preference thing, I'll give you one example, in NJ. you could have served honorably for 20 yrs. and be considered a Non-Veteran however; there was a civil service employee (no names) whom I knew, great guy, but he went awol. resisted going to Viet-Nam and was discharged, the decision was reversed some time later, he received a discharge (not sure if it was a general or less than Honorable) in any event did receive veterans preference, now c'mon, I don't like to throw stones at any one who served but couldn't help telling that story.
 
Date Posted:12/21/2011 13:56
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Yes, that's sux big time.  There are many stories like this one but this one is mine.  I see alot of Disabled veteran plates around lately.  These kids walk out of the car like nothing hurts them.  Must be the PST syndrome???  I've seen more around here than ever before.  I think its a scam.  I posted here how the government just assumed to "Settle" with most troops coming back that claim it.  They settle at a lower percentage to avoid paying out the big money.  So those that don't have it, get compensated for it anyway.
Date Posted:12/21/2011 14:02
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Thanks to all who served on active duty HONORABLY past and present you are and earned the title VETERAN, you went where you were ordered , did your duty and stood guard, it's that simple.

Date Posted:12/21/2011 14:16
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 Guest who is joining. Yes blacked out ssn fine. If you filled out the application fully we're good. Need current address info on that though.
Date Posted:12/21/2011 23:17
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 Sometime you just want to roll your eyes.  Many of us are not considered to be veterans because we served during the peace time era of the Cold War.  Yet at the same time we qualify for "veterans preference" for hiring even though we are considered to be non-veterans because of our peace time era service.
Date Posted:01/11/2012 18:50
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State has a set of rules, Federal has a set, VA has a set, VSO's have a set, Congress has a set.. Everyones got their rules. No one can say you are not a veteran if you got an honorable discharge.
Date Posted:01/11/2012 20:50
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Come on now Palms, be reasonable. Would you rather be a healthy individual or screwed up in some way that earned you Disabled Veteran set of plates in Texas?


Texas Disabled Veteran License Plates


You may apply for Disabled Veteran license plates for your car, light truck or motorcycle if you are certified by the Veteran Administration to have a 50 percent service-related disability, or 40 percent due to amputation of a lower extremity. An annual $3 fee is collected for the first set of plates. There is no fee to apply for the additional sets of plates, but you are required to pay the regular registration fee and other applicable fees.


Nothing says you have to be injured relative to combat, hostilities or even while on duty. Just an Honorable Discharge. When you look at the number of Purple Hearts awarded in the last 10 years and consider that they represent the highly visible injured portion of our disabled then it should be easy to understand the number of plates you see. I drive 60 miles a day in Houston and while I notice the plates, I don't see a massive "free for all" in the distribution of them. I only see someone I'm glad I'm not.
Paul V. Dudkowski
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US Navy, 1973 to 1978
"Dedicated to the Cause"
Date Posted:01/12/2012 15:18
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while coldwar veterans and reservist have no preference for federal and state jobs, spouses of 9/11 do!!!!!!!!!
i read in navy news that spouses of 9/11 active duty get to cut in line-for jobs on base , department of defense
jobs!!! so you could do 15-20 years active or reserve duty, sorry  no federal jobs for you. but if you marry
a soldier for a day, you get preference. plus some active duty and reservist never got a gi bill, but spouses have
been allowed to have a 6,000 dollar educational fund for college!!!
Date Posted:01/23/2012 18:14
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The issue of the so-called Dream Act has to be looked at in the context of this discussion since veteran's preferece for Cold War veterans and how Congress is handling it is important. IF they can pass a dream act which allows the options for illegals to go to  college as well as serve in the military in order to obtain citizenship, then it seems that the same Congress should have no problem passing veteran's preference for Cold War veterans. I hope that those who read this post understand that I'm not bashing illegals, but pointing out that congressional action on veteran's related issues has been abysmal. I support citizenship for anyone who honorably serves in the US military, they've earned it... period!!! Citizenship for attending college though is akin to giving a medal for someone who engages in draft evasion.

FRANK D
Date Posted:02/25/2012 11:54
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I am of the opinion that veteran's preference is important since I feel that there is a Social Contract in taking care of veterans. This means that you and I as veterans at the minimum gave up freedoms that non-veterans didn't have to give up. Therefore, we as veterans should get a preference and GI BILL benefits. This is how I feel. I think there may be some philosophical justiciation for this.


 

FRANK D [formerly of the Cold War Veterans Association]

Date Posted:03/07/2012 19:17
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