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(Date Posted:02/22/2012 13:28)
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Cold War Medal Wiki Page has been updated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_Victory_Medal

* 6 Senators as of 2-9-2012
* 15 Congressman as of 12-19-2011
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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/02/2012 17:20)

 We have been through this before about getting congressmen and senators to submit legislation for a CWSM and or to have them co-sponsor current CWSM legislation.  When we get into the 11th hour of any hope of this legislation coming up for a possible vote, the DoD will push this whole package over the edge of a cliff.  No one in the Congress will object to having the DoD having the final say about this legislation.  No one in the Congress will get up and demand that this legislation come out of committee to be voted on.  The DoD still has the final say on this matter.  Even if all the major VSO's all had national resolutions calling for this medal to be enacted by the Congress, the DoD still has the final say.  Even if we all agreed to pay for the cost of this medal, the DoD will still have the final say and still say no!  At this point, only Obama could authorize this medal, if he really cared about us.  Does anyone know any of the Republican candidates position on the CWSM?  
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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/03/2012 15:44)

Guest posted:  We have been through this before about getting congressmen and senators to submit legislation for a CWSM and or to have them co-sponsor current CWSM legislation.  When we get into the 11th hour of any hope of this legislation coming up for a possible vote, the DoD will push this whole package over the edge of a cliff.
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Guest brings-up a good point.  I am not sure he is accurate, but for the sake of argument, let's say he is.  Do we have access to some sort of after-action report for any CWSM legislation?  What I mean is, we know several CWSM packages made it to Committee.  Do we know exactly what happened in Committee?  Who was responsible for helping the CWSM package "over the edge of a cliff"?
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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/03/2012 18:09)

I have asked this question and the reply I got was that no records are kept of the committee meetings.
Sounds like a lot bull to me. Records are kept of everything, probably even who takes restroom breaks during
meetings.

Last year the bills just sat in committee and were never voted out of committee so they just died on the table

Representatives Michaud and Israel are drafting a letter to the chairmen of the HASC to mark up H.R. 1968
and attempting to get all cosponsors to sign the letter.

Last I heard it should be sent next week.

I am trying to get the Senate to do the same, going at it from a point since Senator Snowe is retiring lets vote
in and send her out with a little glory.

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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/05/2012 06:56)

Some medal recognition for Cold War service is the right thing to do.  I think if anyone (even Congress) looks at the history and facts of the war, they'd have to come to the same conclusion......so sometimes, I really wonder if a lot, if not all, of the real opposition from DoD comes indirectly (or even directly) from political influences.....meaning, are the words "Cold War Service (or Victory) Medal" deemed too politically sensitive for current Russian relations, so hence the real opposition, i.e. not cost at all.
Given that thought, I'm wondering what others might think about changing the name to American Defense Medal (akin to ADSM....I know ADSM has been discussed on this forum before).......which if awarded to those that served during the period might likely be recognized, accepted and maybe commonly referred to as "the Cold War Medal".

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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/05/2012 11:20)

What about "Cold War Recognition Medal" ?
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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/05/2012 13:26)

In my opinion, we should not even consider  changing the name of the Medal. We originally started with the "Cold War Victory Medal"; this morphed into the "Cold War Service Medal", why, I guess to be more politically correct, but I don't think further changes are needed. Changing the name is not going to change the thinking on the subject at DOD. They will resist it whatever the name, so why change?

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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/05/2012 14:48)

I agree salrol. They were dead set against the the KDSM also, and it took Congress and the President to get it done.

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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/06/2012 07:01)

 I'm just wondering if there would be less resistance.......from DoD and Congress if the name of the medal omitted "Cold War" (given current Russian relations), and a medal awarded as an "American Defense Medal" (those that served during the 1946-1991 period the nation was at peril) might garner strong enough support to get it passed.  And if awarded, would it then become commonly referred to as "the Cold War Medal".

I guess, it would be very helpful to exactly understand on what exact points the HASC and the SASC object to concerning the medal.  Does the opposition come mainly from respective committee leaders?  I do not believe they automatically "rubber-stamp" DoD recommendations.  I don't think DoD pushes them around at all.  But I think they definitely use DoD objections if needed and convenient to answer awkward questions they might be asked about why they repeatedly reject Cold War Service recognition.

I think we need to get at the "why" of the thing, and I don't think its solely DoD objection.  Is it because they don't think it was a war?  We have to show them it was.  Do they truly believe it cost to much?  We have to show them it doesn't.  Do they think that it will harm current Russian relations?  We have to consider that and how to neutralize.

Just some thoughts here.

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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/06/2012 18:37)

Be careful treading on this subject Belknap for you may meet the same outlashing the 29palms ran into trying to suggest something different.   I differ from you and others in that you think the cold war was an actual war and therefore, we should be considered war veterans.   As though the word "War" entitles us to be war veterans somehow.  I believe the cold war was more a series of events and individual instances of hostilities rather than to be grouped as into being an actual war. They just don't like to hear it in here.  To recognize cold war veterans as war veterans, means the VA has to fork out money, especially in the health care system.  End result, no medal.
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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/06/2012 19:39)

You keep repeating the same misinformation over and over again. VA healthcare has nothing to do with the CWSM.

A CWSM would have zero affect on VA healthcare and disability compensation!

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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/06/2012 20:27)

 Just my opinion, but I don't think a Cold War Medal should have any effect on VA healthcare. I personally don't believe any veteran, regardless of when they served, should be entitled to VA healthcare simply because they served in the military. If you have a medical condition that is the direct result of your military service, you should be entitled to treatment at the VA regardless of when or where you served. If it is not service related, you should not be eligible, period.
This is probably a minority view, but, in my opinion, service to one's country is not only a privilege, it is an obligation. I regret that such a small percentage of present day Americans feel they owe something to their country. Rather, too many seem to feel, the country owes something to them.

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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/06/2012 23:31)

I fail to see the justice this country offers to the ones that seem to play the game better than others via less honesty.  All encouraged by the U.S. government.  Why does someone that gets injured in boot camp have access to the VA health care system when someone that went through their obligated time in the service without a scratch not have the same accessibility to va healthcare?  That is just one example.  Then there is the tinitus "I've got a bad ear ringing from gunshots and artillery fire during my military service."  Of course, years later, when they have no job or insurance, so they go after the VA.    It's not so much a matter of a feeling of being owed something its just a matter of watching certain scum bags milk the system dry based on some technicalities.  You get a slight heart attack in boot camp and you get enrolled in the VA health system for life.  Here,  you go through doing the right thing and watch these losers get rewarded for life at my tax dollars, while you fend for yourself.  Then they like to add words like excluding for training purposes, reservist not included unless called to active duty, or hurt in boot camp or basic training.  VA healthcare is a welfare system for veterans.  Civilians can have the same thing by applying in downtown clinics claiming low income.  Why does the va exclude certain veterans?  It's not right.  It's not just the va healthcare system.  It's typical government. 
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You keep repeating the same misinformation over and over again. VA healthcare has nothing to do with the CWSM.

A CWSM would have zero affect on VA healthcare and disability compensation!

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To acknowledge cold war veterans as wartime veterans, the government would have to provide for va pensions under that status.  I believe another added benefit would be burial at Arlington National Cemetery,  more points for veterans preferance.  


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2004-R-0079

WARTIME VETERANS’ BENEFITS

By: Veronica Rose, Principal Analyst

You want to know what benefits the state provides to veterans returning from combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

SUMMARY

Veterans who served at least 90 days of active duty in the U.S. armed forces anytime since August 2, 1990, including those who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, are eligible for a range of benefits available to all veterans who serve in time of war, as defined by state law (CGS § 27-103, as amended by PA 03-85).

At a minimum, wartime veterans are eligible for:

1. local property tax exemptions (a reduction of the property’s assessed value for tax purposes);

2. education benefits, including tuition waiver at the state's public colleges and universities;

3. admission to and medical treatment at the state Veterans’ Home and Hospital (VHH) and other specified types of hospitals in the state;

4. burial in the state veterans' cemetery;

5. financial help from the Soldiers’, Sailors’ and Marines' Fund and the veterans’ affairs commissioner;

6. employment benefits, including bonus points on initial civil service examinations;

7. motor vehicle registration and license fee exemptions;

8. retirement benefits; and

9. funeral honor guard detail.

All veterans, including those without wartime service, are eligible for other miscellaneous minor benefits, including occupational licensing, employment, and housing benefits.

Veterans’ benefits are not automatically granted. The veteran or his qualified dependent must claim them and document their eligibility for them by submitting a copy of their separation from service document (DD 214) and honorable discharge certificate (DD 256). Some benefits are extended to the surviving spouse or dependent children of the veteran.

For further information on programs and eligibility requirements, veterans should contact the Veterans’ Department Office of Advocacy and Assistance at 1-800-447-0961 and the Veterans’ Department at .

VETERANS’ BENEFITS

State law defines a “veteran” in several ways with some statutes defining a veteran especially for a particular benefit program. In the absence of a specific definition, eligibility is determined according to a general definition in CGS § 27-103, as amended by  This law defines a veteran as an individual honorably discharged or released under honorable conditions from active duty in the armed forces. To qualify for some benefits, a veteran must have at least 90 days wartime service during or in specified wars, operations, or conflicts unless he was separated from service sooner because of a Veterans’ Administration (VA)-rated, service-connected disability or he served for the duration of any military operation that lasted for less than 90 days. Other benefits are available to all veterans.

PA 03-85 makes all veterans who have at least 90 days of active duty service in the U.S. armed forces since August 2, 1990 eligible for war service benefits. This includes veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. Under prior law, veterans of the post 1990 period were eligible only if they served in Somalia after December 2, 1992; in Bosnia after December 20, 1995; or during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm, August 2, 1990, to June 30, 1994.

WAR SERVICE BENEFITS

Property Tax Exemptions

The law requires towns to provide a property tax exemption of at least $1,500 for war veterans and their surviving spouses. CGS § 12-81 exempts $1,000 of the property owned by a veteran or his surviving spouse and requires larger exemptions for disabled applicants. CGS § 12-81g requires towns to give an additional amount equal to double the basic exemption to veterans whose income falls under certain limits and half the basic exemption to veterans whose income exceeds these limits. For claims filed in 2004 against the 2003 grand list, the limits are $26,500 for a single veteran or a survivor and $32,300 for married veterans. Thus, a non-disabled veteran or his survivor is entitled to a $3,000 exemption if his income is under these limits and $1,500 if his income is above the limits.

In addition to these mandatory exemptions, towns may provide another additional exemption to any veteran or his surviving spouse whose income falls below specified limits. For claims filed in 2004 against the 2003 grand list, the limits are $51,500 for a single veteran or a survivor and $57,300 for a married veteran. The exemption amounts are up to 10% of the property’s value or up to $20,000 (CGS § 12-81f, as amended by ).

By law, (1) the income limits on which the exemptions are based must be adjusted annually to reflect the increase in Social Security benefits and (2) the exemptions must be increased to reflect increases in taxable grand list following revaluation.

How to Get the Exemption. To get the exemption, the veteran must document his eligibility to his town clerk or tax assessor. The exemption may be applied to real property or motor vehicles, including leased vehicles (CGS § as amended by . The veteran must be a state resident on the assessment date and must provide proof of service.

Once the veteran establishes his eligibility, he does not have to reapply for the basic exemption, but he must reestablish eligibility for income-based exemptions every two years. Veterans denied the state-mandated additional exemption may appeal to the Office of Policy and Management (OPM) secretary in writing and may appeal OPM's decision to Superior Court (CGS § 12-81g(e)).

Education Benefits

Tuition Waiver. The law requires the state’s public colleges and universities to waive tuition for wartime veterans who have been accepted at an approved institution. The waiver applies at community-technical colleges, Connecticut State University, and the University of Connecticut. It covers the cost of tuition for credit-bearing undergraduate and graduate programs. It does not apply to other charges or fees, such as student activity and course fees, or parking, and room and board.

A veteran’s dependent children also qualify for a tuition waiver if the veteran is declared missing in action or a prisoner of war while serving in the armed forces after January 1, 1960. The child must have been accepted to the institution (CGS §§ 10a-77(d), -99(d), and -105(e)).

Financial Aid. The law provides state education aid to children between ages 16 and 23 of veterans killed in action, or who die in accidents or from illness while on active duty, or who are totally and permanently disabled. The amount of aid, which is based on need, is up to $400 per year (CGS § 10a-166).

High School Diplomas. Local or regional school boards may award high school diplomas to World War II veterans who did not receive them because they left high school for military service. The law covers honorably discharged veterans who served actively between December 7, 1941 and December 31, 1946 in the armed forces (CGS § 221a(g)).

Medical Treatment and Admission to the Veterans’ Home and Hospital

Wartime veterans who need medical or surgical care and treatment are eligible for admission to VHH or any other veterans' hospital. Those with no adequate means of support are also eligible for admission to the following Connecticut hospitals at the state’s expense: tuberculosis sanatorium, state chronic disease hospital, and mental hospital or training school for the mentally retarded (CGS §§ 27-108 & 27-103(b)). The veterans’ affair commissioner has sole power to determine who is admitted to VHH or any other hospital.

Burial in the State Veterans’ Cemetery

Wartime veterans and their spouses are eligible for burial in the state veterans’ cemetery. Eligibility is based on CGS § 27-122b rather than CGS § 27-103, which defines war service for purposes of veterans’ benefits. Based on the former, veterans of any war fought after the Lebanon peacekeeping mission (1982-1984) do not appear eligible for burial in the cemetery. But, in practice, it appears that the Veterans’ Department uses CGS § 27-103 when determining eligibility.

Financial and Other Aid

Soldiers’, Sailors’ and Marines’ Fund. This fund provides benefits, such as food, clothing, medical and surgical aid, and general care and relief, or burial expenses to needy wartime veterans or (1) their spouses living with them or who lived with them when they died or (2) their dependent children under age 18. The veteran must live in the state when he applies for and while he is getting the assistance (CGS 27-138 et. seq.). Further information on this fund is available at or by calling (860) 953-4345.

Commissioner’s Assistance. Wartime veterans who need help because of disability or other service-related cause are eligible for temporary financial assistance from the veterans’ affairs commissioner in an amount and for a time he decides. He may also help the spouse, children, or siblings of any veteran who died as a result of such service if they cannot support themselves because of the veteran’s death (CGS § 27-125).

Employment

Civil Service Exams. The law gives bonus points to wartime veterans who achieve a passing score on initial state and municipal civil service examinations. A wartime veteran not eligible for or receiving VA disability compensation or pension payments, and unable to pursue gainful employment because of the disability, receives 10 bonus points; any other wartime veteran ineligible for VA disability compensation or pension gets five bonus points. A qualified veteran's spouse is also eligible (CGS §§ 5-224 and 7-415).

If an honorably discharged or released veteran has served in a military action and got or is entitled to get a campaign badge or expeditionary medal and is not otherwise eligible to receive bonus points, he qualifies for five bonus points if he receives the passing grade on the exam (CGS § 5-224).

Retirement

Members of the Municipal Employees’ Retirement System who leave municipal employment to enter the armed forces while the United States is at war, engaged in hostilities, or during national emergencies and are reemployed by the municipality within six months of discharge, are credited with the period of service as though they had been continuously employed. This six-month limitation can be extended in cases of a service-related disability (CGS § 7-434).

Wartime veterans who become members of the State Employees’ Retirement System or Teachers’ Retirement System may purchase retirement credit for time of service. The system allows credit for up to 30 months for nonwartime military service. Veterans purchasing teachers' retirement credit may not be receiving or eligible to receive retirement credit for service from any other government source (CGS §§ 5-180 and 10-183e(b)(3) and (11)).

State police officers and correction guards and instructors who were granted military leave and returned to service within 90 days after discharge receive retirement credit for any period of wartime service. They may also get retirement credit for wartime service prior to such employment, provided they make the appropriate contributions to the retirement fund (CGS § 5-173).

Motor Vehicle Registration Fee Exemptions

The law grants free motor vehicle registration to disabled wartime veterans with certain service-connected disabilities, former prisoners of war, and recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor. Disabled veterans are eligible for fee exemptions for up to three vehicles in the (1) passenger, (2) camper, or (3) combination passenger and commercial registration categories, whether the veteran owns or leases them. The other two categories of veterans are eligible for exemptions on two vehicles. The spouses of the recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor and former prisoners of war may retain the registration for life or until remarriage (CGS §§14-49(o) and 14-21d).

Disabled wartime veterans with certain VA-rated disabilities are entitled, upon application, to free special license plates. The plate exempts the veteran from overtime parking fines, provided he does not leave his vehicle at the same spot for more than 24 hours. Surviving spouses may keep the plates and identification cards until death or remarriage (CGS § 14-254).

Other motor vehicle-related benefits that do not require wartime service are discussed below.

Funeral Honor Guards

A veteran is entitled to an honor guard detail at his funeral if he served in wartime or in the National Guard for more than 20 years or died while serving as a Guard member. The deceased veteran's friends or relatives or the commander of any accredited veterans' organization may make the request to the adjutant general (CGS § 27-76).

Itinerant Vendor Fee Exemptions

Wartime veterans are entitled to an exemption from any local itinerant vendor’s fee, if they live in Connecticut for two years before applying (CGS § 21-30).

MISCELLANEOUS BENEFITS NOT REQUIRING WAR SERVICE

Motor Vehicle

A person in the active service is exempt from paying motor vehicle operator’s license and examination fees. A veteran who applies within two years of receiving an honorable discharge is also exempt but only for one licensing period. A veteran may also request that the examination be waived if he previously held a military operator’s license (CGS § 14-36(e)).

State law allows any type of motor vehicle owned or leased by a veteran or his surviving spouse for one year or longer to qualify for special veterans’ license plates (CGS § 14-20b).

Employment

An employee who leaves a public authority or agency to enter the armed forces may be reinstated to his former position if he applies within 90 days after he gets his certificate confirming satisfactory military service (CGS § 7-462).

Occupational License Fees, Examinations, and Renewals

A veteran whose hairdressing or cosmetology license expired while he was in the armed services may have it reinstated without paying the required fees (CGS § 20-256).

Professional engineers and land surveyors are not required to pay renewal fees to maintain their licenses while in the armed forces (CGS § 20-306(a)(3)).

The Department of Public Health (DPH) may suspend any provision of law governing qualifications for opticians with respect to World War II and Korean War veterans if it deems the provision unjust, provided public health and safety are not jeopardized by the suspension (CGS § 20-147).

An applicant for a sanitarian’s license may substitute four years of combined training and experience in the armed forces for the degree requirement for licensure (CGS § 20-361(b)).

A veteran whose embalmer and funeral director license expired while he was in the service may have it reinstated by DPH without an examination, provided the department approves his professional qualifications. He must apply within a year of separation (CGS § 20-228).

Housing

The entity operating any Department of Economic Development-funded low- or moderate-income rental housing project must give preference to veterans competing with other applicants when housing needs are substantially equal (CGS § 8-75).

Burial Expenses

When any veteran dies and does not leave enough money to pay for burial expenses, as determined by the commissioner after consulting with the probate court for the district in which the veteran lived, the state must pay $150 toward funeral expenses or cremation. Burial must be in a cemetery not used exclusively for burying paupers. Claims must be made within one year after death or return of the veteran’s remains from abroad (CGS § 27-118).

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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/06/2012 23:58)

That was for the state of Connecticut.  I'm sure each state has their own deal for wartime service veterans.  I had to get rid of some links because it wouldn't post otherwise. 
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That was for the state of Connecticut.  I'm sure each state has their own deal for wartime service veterans.  I had to get rid of some links because it wouldn't post otherwise. 


These are State benefits, voted on by State legislators. The last War by Federal Statute was the Gulf War.

The CWSM would have zero affect on VA benefits. The US Congress would have to pass a Statute to make the Cold War an official War and enhance benefits for Cold War veterans.

Now hear this. The CWSM would have zero affect on VA benefits.

-the breeze-

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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/07/2012 09:24)

The winds of reason have blown once more Breeze { Thank You }, the MOH has it own awards & IMHO are more than well earned, for those who may wonder about that, one Army Airman earned it by holding a 5000 degree flare that went off in the aircraft, to truly place that in context !

Try placing you hand in a 500 degree oven for as long as you can stand it, next the MOH is said to be the only medal awarded where politics fails to touch awarding it, once more my key reason why  the other medals should not be tied to benefits.

As for benefits if you served and decline what is offered that can be your personal choice, what I question is if you pass on them why did you accept the pay each month you had Food, Medical, Board, Heat so why being All That did you take the pay ?

Next we all know crap happens to blame a person for having a heart attack during training passes over the fact that a full medical exam was given that they passed prior, next how about hung rounds the M-203 was a cake walk when you compare it to a mortar, { sure as hell glad I had the former kicking the tube seemed the more direct way to the ticket to the WOS } blaming others over being in the wrong place, wrong time or for having a condition unknown to them is just wrong, it is as wrong as blaming them for using benefits offered by the government to entice people to join. if you need to point fingers look close to the Congress & Senate that made it so, as well keeps it going given the dangers found from training that most all face, few civilian jobs can compare an in those the pay alone far exceeded military pay never mind the benefits, as for those in Congress & Senate when it came to them sucking up the gravy a Hover pales to compare, oh an the few times they are in danger as I said in the civil world little falls down to the service level when it came to being in danger.

So once more the my service was better ?, I worked harder than anyone else, do I need to go on people, is it truly needed to be said there shall be those greater or lesser, that the true equalizer we all share is being human ?

As with the nation just where are the negative all going to take us, excluding, pushing all aside to build what ? could someone tell me just what is being built from that ? should not the goals be what is best for the nation as well the citizens of it ? an in this case ACWW ?

Are not those who took the path from citizen to military service not worth the benefits offered and just how is that welfare or entitlement, seems to me that is more part of the twisted thinking that has placed this nation in the gutter, the poor choice made to go after what has worked for this nations best interests that lumps it in with everything being a problem all negative, a downward spiral we seem bent on that solves nothing, that Both Extremes have kept us in, not just with the nation, Hell this forum anyone remember there is no I in together ? As Well  !

Certain people have been singing the same sorry song while adding little to support Jerry or ACWV, so to members just what positives are you bringing to meet the goals should be the question you ask before you post, as well why are you a member or even here if you cannot support Jerry or ACWV goals ? are some folks just here to feed the negatives ? cannot you be here to feed the cause of bringing our goals to forward ?

Last why the constant need to rehash some items over and over, when the majority of ACWV made prior choices that our three prior National Chairmen have kept as our goals, have you forgot the team working to achieve the mission ?,
or have the goals become just yours alone ?  

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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/07/2012 11:56)

.....5000 degree flare in your hand?  I used those to burn off my crabs.   
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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/07/2012 15:41)

For guys who are pushing other agenda "items" on this forum besides the CWSM: 

Even if we ALL agree with your particular "item", do you think we have some kind of power to approve your "item"?
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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/07/2012 23:56)

That's a good question.  So far, we know what hasn't happened year in and year out, so what's the problem in exploring different angles that may get pushed?  There is something that is not liked in approving of the cwsm by DOD.  Nobody can really pinpoint exactly what that may be.  So when this issue gets turned down over and over, some of us question the angle of the approach.  When that angle gets questioned, there the conflict lies within the forum.  I think every possible angle has been talked about here and explored over and over again but the same cwsm that gets introduced gets shot out of the water eventually.  I'm not saying that's it, or to give up but I welcome other inputs or angles where many won't.  The truth is, there is alot of resistence in this issue from outside forces.  It's almost like when you were a little child and wanted candy, your mother said "NO", and that was it.  Maybe you pushed her once or twice more but the answer was still "NO".  You presented your case, you pointed out that your friends all got candy when you didn't, but in the end, the answer is still no. 
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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/08/2012 09:01)

Well guess the memo was missed so once more with hope it sinks in, Due to NO FAULT from Frank,Sean & Jerry a dysfunctional Congress and Senate is allowing the Civilian Majority in the Pentagon as well the Armchair Generals the leeway to do such B.S. as toss the cremated remains of KIA's to be thrown in the dump { for one instance }, or have you missed this key issue ?, as well the down slide that has Congress & Senate members quiting, allowing only the extreme NO COMPERMISE POLITICS that has and is ruining the nation.

So the point that no matter what actions taken for our issue shall be as other needed issues that have gone nowhere just one more pushed aside has been lost on you ?, so being at this point we should do what ?, just forget it, blame our leadership and walk away ?, just what action aside from building support should the leadership take given the climate from the politics of stupid do you think would work ?, also why are you not offering those grand ideas you have given the fact that Frank,Sean & Jerry have no clue as well having failed ACWV in your opinion ? 

As I said in general terms prior all we can do is keep the same course of actions and build on them by supporting the leadership as well look to build support where it can be found, also given the climate as well the nature of what happened the public is too busy beating off the gators to help drain the swamp at this moment.

So unless you have those sure fire grand ideas guaranteed to work to present NOW, I will support the leadership as well goals derived from the membership prior, that places it all on you to get the membership to follow you as well elect you, and as well get them to change what our goals should be, best of luck until then as for me your goals are not mine at this point as for the other members they shall have to speak their own piece, please note you only have till May 1st to win over ACWV and get the actions you want.

Last make up a GD name or at least a different font, as the postings seem to be the same person  doing so !

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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/08/2012 09:04)

Also, talk about the 5000 degree flare.  Only thing I see flaring up is the PNV sounding off in here.  I wonder how long we gotta hold him in our hand till he cools down.  Please.  I'll mail everyone oven mittens.
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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/08/2012 09:35)

 Too bad we could not get a little fire started somehow in the news media when then Senator Obama said how he felt that the CWVM would be an "appropriate honor."  People on Fox News and or   Republican candidates who are always looking for mistakes and problems about Obama could discuss this issue about his support for a CWVM by ignoring our letters to him on this issue.
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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/08/2012 11:30)

Me thinks that's a pretty good idea.  He did say that, and it's election time.

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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/08/2012 11:59)

I have sent several letters to Obama reminding him of what he said. Asking if all else fails to use an Executive
Order to create the medal. Of course no reply, but I keep firing away.

We are working hard to get once again get the medal written into the NDAA. We need support in the House!!!
If we can get it into both versions we might have at least one leg to stand on.

Contact the members of the House and Senate Armed Services Committees. The NDAA is being drafted now
so strike em hard and often.

Jim put up a good link for members of Congress that are veterans and on the committees. Remind them that
they are veterans, some of the Cold War Vets, remind them how we are ignored and dismissed, treated as
non-veterans.
http://forum1.aimoo.com/American_Cold_War_Veterans/Cold-War-Medal/Armed-Services-Subcommittee-on-Military-Personnel-1-2121139.html

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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/08/2012 15:16)

I think I heard Sean Hannity say that he has started an Obama 2012 Project with the intent to thoroughly vet him. I think they want people to send in items where he said one thing, did another. Might not be a bad place to start?
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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/09/2012 11:29)

Oven mitts best used by you when typing the garbage you have in this forum, at this point you have proved to be the troll I thought.

You came here just to play silly arsed games as well play the membership, so forget you, better items needing to be worked on.

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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/09/2012 13:05)

 I agree as what was mentioned by the guest on March 8th's posting about starting a fire in the news media with Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, or Bill O'Reilly.  Perhaps if several of us sent in e-mails about the problems we are having with being recognized by our service, some republican candidates might put the President into a precarious situation.  I am a little confused about the intent of the above posting from PastNikeVet.
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RE:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/09/2012 18:00)

I suspect that someone that is gutless to the point that can't post their name and insult and make fun of our heroes, would not begin to understand the valor required for a MOH.
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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/09/2012 18:38)

 Per all of the above, perhaps we should start some kind of e-mail writing campaign to say Fox News and or some other news media who might take an interest in our cause for recognition with some kind of CWSM.  All those interested parties who would be interested in this endeavor would write a brief e-mail to the above parties and list their name for what they believe in in.  What do we have to lose at this stage of the game? 
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Re:Cold War Medal Wiki Page updated
(Date Posted:03/10/2012 07:51)

Reply to Guest (03/09/2012 13:05)
 I agree as what was mentioned by the guest on March 8th's posting about starting a fire in the news media with Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, or Bill O'Reilly.  Perhaps if several of us sent in e-mails about the problems we are having with being recognized by our service, some republican candidates might put the President into a precarious situation.  I am a little confused about the intent of the above posting from PastNikeVet.

You're confused?  Papa Nathanial Victor has me confused too.  Can you decipher his writing?  I lost him at 35000 feet when some flare went off and someone grabbed it to save the airplane and burned his hands off.  
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NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2002

115 STAT. 1118 PUBLIC LAW 107–107—DEC. 28, 2001 Code, that the award of the Distinguished Flying Cross to that individual is warranted and that a waiver of time restrictions prescribed by law for recommendation for such award is recommended.

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